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Thank you!

Blessings,

Tim - Dec 08 2003
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Uh huh...

http://www.ccel.org/e/edwards/sermons/sinners.html - Nov 30 2003
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Thanks....for the compliment and the mention of what Christianity is *not* about.

You know, in a very strange way I can imagine what it was like for Noah to build the ark all those years when no one had any idea what rain was...and ignored all the warnings. They learned -- to late -- that God's ways are not our ways...His thoughts are not our thoughts. He is the divine "other".

After a while, and I can say this in all honesty, you learn to ignore the catcalls and hecklers...and you finally get to a point where you just focus on what God is doing. And I praise God for how He has used this in my life to strengthen my faith and care less and less about the affirmation of others. Worldly affirmation is a deadly trap.

God is faithful. Thanks, and hang in there!

Tim - Nov 26 2003
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No problem about your english; it's your faithful spirit that counts...and God honors.

There are those for whom very little, evidence is necessary...and those for whom no amount of evidence will be sufficient, either in amount or kind. Very sad for them to have hardened their hearts this way.

Hebrews 11 tells us that "Without faith it is impossible to please God, for those who come to Him must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." (a paraphrase). Again, it's a matter of trust...and a lack of trust dishonors God.

As with everyone else here, I appreciate your support...and your prayers. For those who chose disbelief, we owe them nothing, save the Gospel and our prayers.

Blessings to you, brother!

Tim - Nov 25 2003
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*from the Gospel of John, chapter 3, verse 18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."*

People don't understand that they are already under God's judgement...and that God stands ready in His mercy to save them. Kind of like a person who is drowning...If you trust the guy in the boat when he reaches out to you, you can be rescued. If not, your decision has already doomed you...and of course there is no guarantee that your next breath will be yours. It's by God's sheer mercy that he doesn't just blow us all away out of His holy, pure justice...and it's His grace that offers us salvation through Christ.

He didn't have to do that...but He did!

Tim - Nov 25 2003
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From a a purely evidential standpoint, I would add that the only real "concensus" I see is that dozens of people have downloaded it...and the number FAR outstrips the small group that follows me around claiming that "no one wants it." I always get a chuckle out of that.

So much for accepting the plain evidence at the top of the page.

Again, thanks and blessings to you,

Tim - Nov 25 2003
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Thanks for the encouragement.

About the art, well, sometimes it's the nature of art...sometimes it's just learning. This one in particular I DID expect someone to pick apart because I drew that bulb by hand...I figured since they are putting them together by hand, it would be rather cheap of me to make a nice slick one from a photo, etc.

About the rest...no surprises, nothing new. They look at it by sheer choice...as has been said in this particular thread, my work (this one in particular) could be forseen by my "hallmark" gradient. Of course, the choice was still made. Then made repeatedly to come back. But somehow it is "forced" on them.

I won't dare compare myself to the apostle Paul, but I'm remembering how he was beaten up, thrown out of Jerusalem and left for dead...and then got right back up and marched back to Jerusalem to win more for Christ. It's not much different, really, as far as attitude is concerned...and Jesus Christ Himself said "you have heard it was said that you shall not kill...but I say to you that if you hate your brother you are guilty of murder." This anger just hasn't come to it's physical expression...yet. But if it does, it does. The scriptures have foretold us what's coming up. How the nations are aligning. It's all coming together. "I know in Whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have entrusted with Him against that Day." (the day of Judgement).

So, we pray for them because Christ died for them; to redeem them from their sin and restore a right relationship with God.

I pity them; they don't get it...yet.

Blessings

Tim - Nov 25 2003
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...and i would add this from the Gospel of John, chapter 3, verse 17) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[7] 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." - Nov 25 2003
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Hi again John:

It just occurred to me that part of what is going on is not that different than what Paul had to deal with in the first century as the Gospel was just starting to be spread...I'm remembering the accounts of when he'd be beaten, thrown out of Jerusalem and left for dead...and he'd just get right back up and go back again. While I do not dare compare myself to Paul, somehow I see a parallel between attitudes then and now. If we wait till we're given "permission", we'll never be able to speak! :)

I think it was Peter who underscored this principle when he said in his epistle to preach the Word, "in season and out of season". In other words, regardless of "appropriateness" or consequences. Whether you're ready or not. Whether it's on friendly turf or not. The stakes are too high.

Blessings,

Tim - Nov 24 2003
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Yeah, if you mean the dark one, I agree. I was in a "blue gradient phase" a while back. the darker one is a bit more elegant, i think.

Thanks,

Tim - Nov 24 2003
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Thanks for the vote of support John. I have no plans to go anywhere for the forseeable future. This is a privately run site and as long as the owners allow my work, there's no valid reason to leave.

It'd be nice if people could learn that a life of non-offense is not reasonable to expect...unless of course we all dump any and all convictions and don't express what we believe anywhere. But that is not realistic.

Again, Blessings to you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, who died in our place to redeem us.

Tim - Nov 24 2003
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Thanks for the encouragement!

Tim - Nov 23 2003
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I'm working on a font in PFAedit that is based on something I saw on the net. If/when I have it done, I'll give you a yell! - Nov 23 2003
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*mental note*

Next time something like this starts, delete the entry and reenter it to clear the thread...

*end mental note* - Nov 21 2003
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You know, anything a person says or does can feed a stereotype that others hold regardless of whether or not the person in question holds the stereotype.

You can't read many of the threads related to my paper without noticing stereotypes about Christianity...which imply that we go around forcing conversions at the point of a gun. And you know, some people might say I'm feeding it because I'm "pushing (in some mystical way) my beliefs" on others.

I may do things that feed a given stereotype held by others. But I don't believe that, on it's face, makes what I (or anyone else) do or say *wrong* in and of itself. If I did, I'd be telling others to "shut up", etc. Besides, I firmly believe that a given individual is responsible for holding stereotypes. - Nov 21 2003
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I believe that most adherants to Islam are decent people. That doesn't mean that they aren't stereotyped by others. I think alot of Americans do, in fact, have a stereotypical view of Islam. - Nov 21 2003
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Yup. You are referring to Paul's statement that "the law is written" by God on the heart (vs. 15). Thanks for recognizing that.

Furthermore, whether or not the text perpetuates a stereotype, that doesn't render it invalid. I realize that there maybe most (I don't know all of them!) followers of Islam are perfectly nice people. As I have mentioned before I listen very frequently to Ravi Zacharias (who you may have heard of even if you are not a Christian) who has testified to this repeatedly...and I believe him.

However, there are also those who DO kill those who refuse to convert or have chosen to convert from Islam to Christianity. I have an Iranian Jewish friend who fled Iran because of such as this. He didn't convert, rather he was born as an Iranian Jew.

The Rutherford institute reports (and I can give you the link) that Coptic believers...even young children...are being crucified even today...simply because of what they believe.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that the idea is that one should not say something that might perpetuate a stereotype, even if that statement might be true.

If that is the case, then I reject it.

Thanks for the insight. I appreciate it!

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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timplzdrown527:

*So what is your point? He writes, many years after the fact, repeating what others were saying. He was no eyewitness, so whatever he wrote proves nothing. Same with Josephus.*

So, I guess that all the history my professor tought me was not relevant because he wasn't an eyewitness???

--never mind....From your previous posts, especially regarding percieved "wrongs" in the Biblical record, you appear to be so angry at God that any evidence I show you (and that you indeed have been shown here by others) will be thrown away out-of-hand.

You started by simply asking for evidence...stating I couldn't. Then when I told you that I would be happy to and asked if you would accept it, you conditioned answering that question based on non-related issues.

In short, you will never be willing to accept anything I or others have been telling you about history, archaeology and the Bible.

If it were given you, you would try to discredit the source, or something along that line.

There are two kinds of people who doubt. Those who doubt and are seeking to believe and those who doubt and simply want to continue proving their disbelief is valid.

So, again, never mind...at least until God begins working on your heart.

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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...and there is a *huge* difference between the perverted sort of jealousy of man and the righteous Jealousy of God.

Our feelings, such as anger, etc., are somewhat twisted by the effects of sin resulting from the fall, which effects everyting we say and do to one degree or another.

God is not polluted by this.

-- tim - Nov 21 2003
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Ok, DUH! Sometimes it's hard to tell. - Nov 21 2003
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Yup. Tacitus. Roman historian, considered to be one of the more (most?) reliable.

Unlike "Gone with the Wind", the works of Tacitus are not fiction...we can also talk about Josephus and Turtulian. - Nov 21 2003
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Nope, Christians, including myself fall short often. But there is a *big* difference between that and unrepentant murder of abortionists, etc.

Before Christ, I had a rage problem. Do I still get upset? Yes. But rage is no longer the pattern of my life. Big difference.

It's not 'nice and tidy'. It's not about perfection but it IS about a change in direction in a person's life.

-- Tim - Nov 21 2003
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No linuster, I was replying to imPLEZdrown527 . - Nov 21 2003
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Hi Jukka and thanks!

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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I've partially answered this in my post below...but again, I'll be happy to do so.

I think the greater question is, are you really interested in knowing the evidence is there and if presented with it will you accept it or find a way to dismiss it?

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and get it for you.

-- Tim - Nov 21 2003
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Sure! I'll be happy to do that for you. I'll have to look it up though; I don't have the information on hand. All I can give you right now was that the person who made the discovery regarding King David was Avraham Biran. I think this was in 1993, but I'll have to check.

Same for the others. But, again, I'll be happy to!

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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By the way, putting the Scriptures in the "religion" section doesn't make it myth. The bible is a collection of 66 books (39 OT, 27 NT). Poetry, wisdom literature, prophecy and History.

I wouldn't expect to find it in the "history section". It's more diverse than that.

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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*can't prove*

Well, then as I posted elsewhere here, can you prove George Washington really lived? Was he a myth? What about Lincoln, or J.Q. Adams?

Once you discount historical/legal *evidence* you enter an intellectual-free zone where you can ultimately *know nothing*.

Are you saying this is the case?

Again, archaelogy silenced the critics about King David of the Old testament really living (another 'myth' is now known to be true). The same for King Solomon. Does this make one bit of difference?

They used to criticize the accuracy of the book of Isaiah up till a number of decades ago when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found and dated to be from the time that Isaiah actually lived....they demonstrated that the Old Testament we have now is virtually unchanged. So much for "transmission errors". Not one major teaching is effected...only a preposition here and there. Minor stuff. There are 24,000+ manuscripts for the scriptures, including fragments. Homer's illiad doesn't have more than maybe 600 but no one questions the Illyad.

Again, as I've stated before, could it be that you really know better but simply refuse to face it? No, I'm not talking "proof" because "...without faith it is *impossible* to please God* (Hebrews 11:6) But there is ample evidence upon which to make an *intelligent* decision...provided PRIDE doesn't get in the way.

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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*can't prove*

Well, then as I posted elsewhere here, can you prove George Washington really lived? Was he a myth? What about Lincoln, or J.Q. Adams?

Once you discount historical/legal *evidence* you enter an intellectual-free zone where you can ultimately *know nothing*.

Are you saying this is the case?

Again, archaelogy silenced the critics about King David of the Old testament really living (another 'myth' is now known to be true). The same for King Solomon. Does this make one bit of difference?

They used to criticize the accuracy of the book of Isaiah up till a number of decades ago when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found and dated to be from the time that Isaiah actually lived....they demonstrated that the Old Testament we have now is virtually unchanged. So much for "transmission errors". Not one major teaching is effected...only a preposition here and there. Minor stuff. There are 24,000+ manuscripts for the scriptures, including fragments. Homer's illiad doesn't have more than maybe 600 but no one questions the Illyad.

Again, as I've stated before, could it be that you really know better but simply refuse to face it? No, I'm not talking "proof" because "...without faith it is *impossible* to please God* (Hebrews 11:6) But there is ample evidence upon which to make an *intelligent* decision...provided PRIDE doesn't get in the way.

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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*"And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me." Luke 7:23*

Thanks for the encouragement, Bro! I'm thinking of what the disciples said to the Lord when He asked them "And what about you?..." The answer they gave was "Where else would we go, You *alone* have the words of eternal life!"

Blessings to you,

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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...was Lincoln a myth? was George Washington a myth? Did John Kennedy really get shot? Does historical documentation mean anything? Even secular historians record that Jesus Christ lived, died and was seen alive again.

Of course, if you want to demand that the supernatural doesn't exist (such as the 'Jesus Seminar'), you can do that, but it's not an objective starting point...unless you know for a *fact* that it doesn't. The problem is you would need the sum total of all knowlege to posit that as an argument.

I don't think either one of us have that. Do you?

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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*attack?* how did I do that?

By stating something as propositional truth? If so, then you have illustrated my point; that anything past "opinion" is offensive...and that is at the core of political correctness and the postmodern worldview. It's also a lie straight from the pit.

we know that Christopher Columbus lived. We know that Abraham Lincoln lived. This is based on Historical documentation. That same historical documentation tells us that Jesus Christ really lived and was crucified, yet was seen by many as risen Lord.

I hear this so often "believe what you want but keep it to yourself". Sorry, but part of what Christ tought was to NOT keep it to yourself. So, you want me to either deny the faith or be a hypocrite.

I'll chose to live out my faith.

I'm sorry if you are offended, but in a way not, because the fact that you are so obviously upset is a sign that you possibly are resisting what you may deep down feel uncomfortable resisting.

God's blessings to you in all sincerity,

Tim - Nov 21 2003
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That's ok, the message is the most important part anyway...:)

Thanks!
Tim - Nov 20 2003
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*no such thing as facts*

Are you stating that as a *fact*? - Nov 20 2003
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It's not true because we believe it (that's New Age/Postmodern nonsense), we believe it because it is true.

Contrary to the example of nonsense faith, Christianity is open to verification through biblical and non-biblical historical accounts as well as archaeology.If you want to disprove the Bible and the Christian faith, that's where to go...but eventually you will have to deal with the secular historical accounts of the fact that Christ lived, died and yet three days later was seen as a risen Lord.

Noone has been able to do that in 2000 years. make a name for yourself; be the first.

Thanks,

Tim - Nov 20 2003
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*physics does not seem to disagree with the possibility that a God with limitless energy could have created all matter in the universe.*

In other words, you are affirming the equation I mentioned in this thread:

SomeOne + Nothing = Everything.

I've heard this as a multiplication and not an addition...although I'm not sure what the difference is...

Thanks again,
Tim - Nov 20 2003
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*socially acceptable*

--- more than that; it's Politically Correct. - Nov 20 2003
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Brandybuck might be able to explain this better, and after all you are responding to him, but I think you are erasing the line between ChristenDOM and ChristianITY.

ChristianITY is and is ONLY a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not an institution, such as Catholicism. It has to do with being twice-born or "born again". It has nothing to do with buildings, liturgy or anything else. The Bible teaches that "no murderer has eternal life..." (1 John). Anyone who goes around killing people in the name of "Christianity" is a phony. If I call myself a "feminist" and go around doing things that contradict feminism, would you still believe I'm a feminist?

Christendom has to do with all the rest...I can understand the confusion between the two..."christianity" as a word has become to mean anyone who isn't Jewish or Muslim or (as commonly thought of by many) as "anyone in America". That is false.

Tim - Nov 20 2003
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While I can certainly be wrong, I think that they perceive any kind of mention of Christianity as *forced* on them. This idea of "force" comes up many times in threads related to my papers, even though they could just as easily avoid them. After all, the PC lie is that one cannot be held responsible for one's own choices...coffee/McDonald's/Lawsuit, tobacco/smoking/lawsuit...etc.

From what I understand from my exposure to PC thought while working at a local university, the "politically correct" mindset is that everyone has the "right to not be offended" by anything. The message of the cross is definitely offensive to those who are perishing, according to Paul's epistles.

So, I deduce that presenting anything that disturbs their sleepwalk to destruction as *forced* on them.

Well, like Paul, I choose to keep my hands free of the blood of any man (or woman for that matter). When they stand before Christ, (and they *will*) they will have no excuse.

Funny. If they saw a guy on the street offering them 1 million bucks, I believe they take it. Christ offers them eternal life and the joys of heaven and they reject it -- to their horrible loss.

-- Tim - Nov 20 2003
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...and open their hearts to the truth. - Nov 20 2003
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*I guess that means you proved Tims point about matter having to originate somewhere then(matter originating in its' conversion from energy)?*

Thanks...maybe you'll get through. I've tried...many times. Then again, if experience bears me out, you'll be discounted because you are a theist...

-- Tim - Nov 20 2003
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"The oblisks of shalamancer (sp?) post an account from the old testament, which is an event fo event recording of a battle and offerings to the kings of a nation. That is not biblical text, however that can not be over looked. What agenda did a non-jewish nation and king have to promote god? None that I can find."

Thanks, noname. You're right; many times there are what we call "extra-biblical" accounts (accounts outside the bible) to historical events. That doesn't conflict with scripture but rather supports it's historicity, which is key to knowing that the Bible is reliable -- speaking accurately about the things on which it speaks.

There are other writings that give account of Noah's flood and other events as well -- again butressing the reliability of Scripture.

Again, noname, thanks.

Tim - Nov 19 2003
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No,

SomeOne + Nothing = Everything. According to His Word, God is Self-sufficient and omnipotent to name only two of His many attributes.

I will say this to you *once more* only. God is Spirit, which can be eternal...I.E. outside of time. Matter cannot (theory of general relativity); matter wears out and disintegrates over time. This *again* has to do with the Laws of thermodynamics and Biogenesis. Jesus said He is *The Life*. He created everything. This is life from life; which fits the law of biogenesis, unlike evolution.

So far, you have not accepted this. What's the point in moving on and debating more? Like I have told Soyburg, I am not here for your entertainment...hence my hesitance to reply to your messages -- and I will do it no more.

Believe it or not, I wish you well.

--Tim - Nov 18 2003
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*7 Days*

No, I'll NEVER agree that it was done in 7 days. It wasn't. It was done in *6*.

*No Scientific evidence*

That again. I've already told you before that the evidences for Christianity is not science but history and archaeology.

This is why I don't care to discuss things with you. That and your penchant for ad hominem attacks and straw-man arguments, which can be seen on other threads.

Don't even bother messaging me any longer...There's no point in it. I'm not here for your entertainment.

*fini*

Tim - Nov 18 2003
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Very well put, Brandybuck.

You may be familiar with Ravi Zacharias, the Christian apologist who was born in India. He's tremendous. I listen to him on a fairly frequent basis...and one day he was talking about a conversation he had with someone arguing for postmodernism and it's related thought system.

Here's an excerpt:

"As the professor waxed eloquent and expoounded on the law of non-contradiction, he eventually drew to his conclusion: "this [either/or] logic is a Western way of looking at reality. The real problem is that you are seeking...a contradiction as a westerner when you should be approaching it as an Easterner. The both/and is the Eastern way of viewing reality."
After he belabored these two ideas on either/or and both/and for some time...I finally asked if I could interrupt his unpunctuated train of thought and raise one question...I said, "Sir, are you telling me that when I am studying Hinduism I *either* use the both/and *or* nothing else?
There was a pin-drop silence for what seemed an eternity. I repeated my question: "Are you telling me that when I am studying Hinduism I *either* use the both/and *or* nothing else? Have I got that right?"
He threw his head back and said, "The either/or does seem to emerge, doesn't it?" "Indeed, it does emerge," I said. "And as a matter of fact, even in India we look both ways before we cross the street -- it is either the bus, or me, not the both of us."

So, Brandybuck, you can see how "Tolerance" wants to say "everything is ok" UNTIL you disagree with it. They literally want to have it both ways...."Everything is equally true...except believing that all things aren't equally true". The dogma that there is no ultimate truth *becomes* the ultimate truth, and to deny it is the unpardonable sin.

Thanks for the input!

TIm - Nov 18 2003
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Excuse me; I'll make one correction... the evolutionary equation is

NoOne + nothing = everything.

This makes *no* sense.

Tim - Nov 18 2003
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*I expect you'll also be coming out with references to similarly qualified "top geographers" in asserting that the Earth is flat. And as a finale, you'll presumably be drafting Harry Potter fans in as experts on aeronautics to claim that the Apollo missions were either faked in a Hollywood studio or just plain witchcraft.

And, by the way, it's fascinating that Darwin's stuff has held up pretty well over the years, unlike creationism...*

Uh huh.

I'm sure that you know that in the real world things don't just make themselves; they are made.

Matter cannot be eternal -- the laws of thermodynamics state this. If you really think that things just pop into being...such as the initial inanimate matter from which life came from (Law of Biogenesis?) then I leave you to sit in your empty garage and wait for the vehicle of your choice to merely appear...after all, given enough *time* and *chance* the impossible becomes possible.

I say this because I KNOW you KNOW better. Life comes from life, and things don't just make themselves ex nihilo. Furthermore, an animal being chased didn't just say "Hey, I'm in danger, I'd better evolve a mechanism to defend myself!" You know that didn't happen and it couldn't survive to carry on evolution.

I always get a chuckle when I hear someone say things "have an appearance of design...but that's only the way it looks." Funny thing is, that is counter to the way we approach everything else. We *expect* things to be designed and have a maker *until* it comes to the things we see in nature around us. *Then* we get all mystical about how Something + nothing = everything.

Nope, I don't accept that. And, I think that the problem people have with theism is that, like Darwin, Epicurius and others, there is an accountability to be shunned...so we make up a story then try to make "science" fit it. Richard Lewontin, who is an evolutionist and DOES work with genetics, has plainly said that evolution is to be held to *in spite of the evidence, not because of it*.

So again, as I have said before, evolution is a religion based on faith in "chance" and *time*. Darwin is the "pope" and to turn away leads to excommunication from the "scientific faith." -- you are no longer credible as a scientist because you have "denied the faith".

No thanks, I'll stick with The One who made heaven and earth and died for me. Unashamedly.

Tim - Nov 18 2003
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Hmmmm...A physicist can't be an authority on evolution...interesting...especially considering how evolution relates to the laws of thermodynamics...

And of course, others would say that if you disagree with evolution, you can't be taken seriously as a scientist. They tried to fill me with that while I was working on my undergrad degree.

Just wondering if an evolutionary scientist has a change of mind...does that bring *evolution* or *the scientist* into question?

-- moving on...

--Tim - Nov 18 2003
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Oh, you again. Oh well.

--Tim - Nov 18 2003
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Thanks! - Nov 18 2003