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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

*As for the rest, you don't seem to want to get my point. The crowbar thing was not important from the start. It only cancels your argument that ignoring stuff is easy. Imagine someone hanging a playboy poster in your workplace. Could you ignore it? Just think about it, I don't expect an answer anymore.*

Crowbar thing??? No, I think you just don't want to accept responsiblity for your choices. you are using three fallacies:

1). I have told you repeatedly do the same *here*. That has nothing to do with your example.

2). Being a half-century old, I have lived long enough to be in situations where I can't control what is around me. Like *in the workplace*. Ever worked in a factory? Porn hanging on walls where you are working sometimes.

3). Your argument implies that any type of description or even thumbnail is 'wrong' because you must 'see' either. AGain, you use "placement" as an argument. Thumbnails exist on the summary page. And often even, my titles give you a tip as to what it is. In either case, why doe's "where it is" make one whit of difference? It's *Up to you!*

Ignore it. It is a CHOICE. It is ALWAYS a CHOICE.

Being a believer in the kind of world I live in, I must always make that choice. So, you see, I live with that problem every day.


Now, I'd like to ask you again, can you make that choice?


The rest of your stuff really doesn't matter. Why? Because you are making a subjective comment regarding what you *consider* art. You are then giving your *opinion*. *"not art"* != "not here"

Plus, it's a way to attempt to shift the attention from the questions I posited to you.

You are constantly trying to tell me what I *should do* based on your value judgements. However, being an agnostic at least (if not an atheist), is there ANYTHING you can base your value system on that says *anything* is objectively right or wrong?

No supreme moral lawgiver=> no moral law=> no moral absolutes=> everyone makes their own rules. It's then up to each individual what is right and wrong.

So, according to your own belief system, *who are you* to tell me what I should and shouldn't do? What makes *anything* right or wrong?

And of course, now that you know I deal with this stuff every day in the real world and do, in fact, ignore it...*can't you*?

--- Tim - Jan 06 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

*So, no, I can not, I want not and I will not give simple answers when the matter at hand is complicated. But that is not dodging anything.*

But it isn't complicated. It is very simple. It's only complicated when you are trying to construct a way to block one person's work while appearing "tolerant" and permitting someone elses when they are also multiposting and updating. Of course, you must hide that it's merely about what Alethia (who's thread this is), Nate and I stand for.

THAT is what makes it complicated.

a). Do you have the strength of will to simply walk away from something you see that you don't like. Whether the label is on the thumbnail or in the description, you must still make a choice to look or not. It's the same choice. But I posted all this down below.

b). Do you have the power and "right" to tell others here that their material is not "appropriate" for an *open forum*. We won't even get into how you arrive at "appropriateness"...especially considering you have nothing (no God?) to base moral absolutes on.

My questions are simple...and there is no ulterior motive on my part.

By the way, I'll assume you saw my posts below. I'll be waiting for a response...and I'll keep an eye out for you to complain to the poster of Aqua and Silver Penguin. WIth all those separate posts, he *must* be trying to get attention. And of course, one day, he'll be updating those... *groan*

--tim - Jan 05 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

While I'm waiting for response to the previous, I couldn't help but notice this...

*I could. But do I want to? I might end up without a place to look at.*

Again, it's all about you. You won't leave us alone because *YOU* may not have what you want. Forget that the other content will still be here. As long as we believers are here and have the "nerve" to bring it up you'll be out there running around, flailing your arms around in the air crying "innappropriate...inappropriate..."

In the meantime, we quietly tolerate all manner of stuff we don't like.

enough.

-- tim - Jan 05 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

* Then Do it. Let's see your proof.*

So, that last sentence isn't asking for proof?

1. How does any of this indicate *MOTIVE*? Here we go again. First you are wrong in the time I spent on those papers considering how little I knew about Gimp at the time. However, "time spent" != "motive", so...so far you've said nothing.

Based on other peoples wallpapers? Which one???? Not one of my works is. There is one that I did that has the same nasa background, but I wasn't even aware of that until way after the fact. Of course, you didn't ask, you just *made another assumption*. Go figure.

Trivial updates? Some of them were asked for. Others were ones I thought necessary, such as text fixes. have you noticed lately alot of papers that are "Updated" with nothing in the revision history to tell you *what was done*? You are silent about those! But they aren't ME, are they? Gotta give *them* room!

Number of posts? Then you better go yell at whoever posted two pages or so of Silver Penguin and Aqua Penguin two days ago.

Does this prove motive? And if it does, why aren't you chasing others around...such as SIlver and Aqua penguin??? Oh yeah..then there's been a few submissions in the last day or so that are simply different sizes but different posts...OH NO!!!

Again, all assumptions. You can only make an assumption. And because you aparently have a predisposed bias against most anything I say, that will continue. Bias is more comfortable than truth. You don't know my heart. You don't know my motives. This is just raw prejudice.


2. Again, in order to *ignore something* you must be aware that it is there. If it's not there, that kind of gets rid of the need to ignore it, doesn't it?

If I put a label on the thumnail and say "it's for CHristians"...how is that different than you seeing it if you click on the thumnail and read the description? You are being disingenuous. In either case, you must still respond with "Oh. Christian stuff. Never mind."

You just don't want to see a hint of it anywhere, do you? It's not about you CHOOSING to pass by something you see, it's about you being so overly sensitive that you can't bear even the awareness that something is in front of you that might "touch your bubble".

Again, when Alethia, Nate, and myself see stuff we deem as trash and it's right there in front of it...we hit our back arrow.

Do you have the strength to do that?


3. here we come down to the nitty gritty. You have come out and said you *won't* ignore it.

Forget the fact you are not a KDELOOK admin. Forget the fact that you have no more pull than anyone else. You will deem what is and is not appropriate for this site.

Shoot...Look at what's going on in this thread...what are most of the posts about? YOU. You and your right to deem what is appropriate content for others. The only "war" here is the discussion we are having...and it comes down to what you are *imagining*.

You have nothing that really goes to motive, except your presuppositions, which are not applied to others with the same stringency.

You sidestep the decision issue by making it an issue of "lable placement".

You spend time bickering about something that isn't happening.

THe crickets would be chirping in this thread if it weren't for this one long discussion.

And you want peace? I don't think so. I think you just want all references to God away from here...you are mad at Him, but instead of taking it to Him, you take it out on those who belong to Him. If you want, I can easily dredge up quotes from you to back this up.

-- tim - Jan 05 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

*Yes and no. I'm not an official member of the kde-look crew, but I am a consumer,*

Well then you are no different than me. Which means you can say you don't like what I post, but you have no right to tell me to take it somewhere else.

No, you are not a KDE-LOOK admin. That was my question.

-- Tim - Jan 05 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

*I think so, yes. Your 'artwork' as well as your behavior make that very clear indeed.*

Ok. You can quantify it. Then Do it. Let's see your proof.

You say you *can't ignore the message till you know what's there". Well sir, you don't make sense because you can't *ignore* something that you are not *aware of*. Your answer doesn't work. To *ignore* something implies that you know it is there, does it not? My point is as it has been. others as well as my self see stuff that is patently offensive. Even if we don't *know it* until we open it. My point is...can't you just decide to turn away from it?

-tim - Jan 05 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

* Especially when the answers aren't as simple as yes or no.*

Yeah, I'm sure you'd appreciate more "squirm factor". But I think we both know you are dodging.

1. Either you are a KDELOOK admin or not. Simple or Not?

2. Can you or can you not blow off stuff you don't like? I do that, even stuff that mocks my work. Even if I see it. Can't you? Life is never going to accomodate itself to you in a "non offensive" manner. So you adjust.
Again, this is a very simple question to answer.

3. Can you quantify that I am not here for the value of art as well as a message? Again, that is simple.

You are evading, plain and simple.

Tim - Jan 05 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

Here's what I asked:

"So, are you the KDELOOK content monitor? Can you quantify that I am not here for the art as well? And why can't you just ignore stuff you don't like...as we do?"

You haven't answered my question. All you've done is say certain submissions "are not appropriate"....which doesn't answer my question(s).

1. are you a KDELOOK Monitor?
2. Can you quantify that I am not here to distribute art *as well as* a message?
3. Can you or can you not ignore stuff you don't like.

Again, these are VERY simple questions.

Tim - Jan 05 2004
Life is a Dash...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 42 comments

Because God *made* everything, He also *owns* everything. Being omcnicient, he (unlike a human judge and jury) know all the facts necessary to make a proper judgement.

God is HOLY. WE are NOT. On our own we can't approach God...but he made a way. If you reject his solution to the dilemma, there is no other way out. He cannot exercise one attribute at the expense of another, so since you reject the payment he made for you, you must make the payment. But the *legal debt* must be paid...by either you or another...in this case, Jesus Christ.

-- tim - Jan 05 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

"I never mentioned any submission guidlines..."

I leave you with what I've read from you before...

*kde-look is not the right place...*

That, sir is a DIRECT contradiction to what you have just claimed.

Again, are you the "kde-look content monitor". There is a group of you who seem to believe you are.

--tim - Jan 05 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

You haven't answered my question, sir. The fact that I have a link to a page that says something you don't like (for whatever reason) doesn't answer the question "Can one worldview be expressed here and not another?"

I'm bored to tears with saying this, but I continually mark my work as "for christians". It's not offered to you any more than "butt-in-the-air tuxbunny art" is offered to me. Are you really so unable to do what we do with the stuff we don't like...just skip it? Please give a clear answer to this.

Does my work have a message?
*Gasp* Intentionally so. See, I'm a Christian. A follower of Jesus Christ. So OBVIOUSLY, what I do will reflect that.

So, are you the KDELOOK content monitor? Can you quantify that I am not here for the art as well? And why can't you just ignore stuff you don't like...as we do?

Three specific little questions that only need a clear yes/no answer.

-- tim - Jan 05 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

Hi Nate:

About your reference to "Flanders" and the implications of his nick...

Go to my "Plaeides" wallpaper entry at:

http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8037&vote=good&tan=80815315

That was the first sign I saw of him. He "joined" with that name the same day he made the post. Plus, his first post's title leaves out all doubt. "Ned Flanders" exists for only one reason.

---tim - Jan 05 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

Hi Nate:

About your reference to "Flanders" and the implications of his nick...

Go to my "Plaeides" wallpaper entry at:

http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8037&vote=good&tan=80815315

That was the first sign I saw of him. He "joined" with that name the same day he made the post. Plus, his first post's title leaves out all doubt. "Ned Flanders" exists for only one reason.

---tim - Jan 05 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

Just for the sake those who come along and read this thread, let me add the following:

In my 1280x1024 version of "Embrace the Son", you said something about my "behavior" that was rather inflammatory. So I simply told you this and said I wouldn't pay further attention to it.

Here is your quote of me along with your reply, which I just found in the thread:

*That is just plain inflammatory.*

"Chill man. Play nice and others will respond in kind..."

Let's see, what did you call this thread entry..."welcome back idiot." And of course the message you entered above speaks for itself.

So, now we see a fuller picture of who tihkal is and what he is about.

Again, what a hypocrite.

--tim - Jan 05 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

"This is not the place for religious spam".

So, essentially you are just saying "go away". Wow. Tremendous difference...

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Re: "spam": As has already been told you, if you don't like the work, say so. If you don't agree with the message, that's ok too. The word "spam" is uncalled for.

"Not the place".

Are you in charge of content on KDELOOK? Yes? No? Either you are or you are not. Please tell me (us) plainly.

My work, as Alethia's and Nate's, reflects my worldview and values as does other people's female-demeaning bikini art and other sorts of "non-gear/non-tux/non-linux specific" papers. So, some worldviews can be expressed here but not those who believe certain things? Of course, again my real question is "according to whom". At the very least, show me the admin-posted KDE-LOOK submission policy. OK?

-- tim - Jan 04 2004
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Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

Uh. Excuse me. Let's assume that Alethia is saying "Shut up if you don't agree with me". He's not, but let's accept your point of view.

You don't like this.

Still, you constantly are telling those of us who don't agree with your views to "shut up".

See a problem here?

Tim - Jan 04 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

You are being so disingenuous it's unreal.

Where were you when "Silver Tux" was all over page 1 and 2...just for color changes?

BTW, you are the KDE Post monitor? Where is the KDELOOk policy posted about *not* posting 1024 papers under *1024* and 1280 papers under *1280*?

Oh, I see. Someone with limited screen size should have to download all the permutations of one file just to get one paper.

Get real. You know better than this.

Now, go chase "silver penguin" and tell him he was wrong. Nah. You won't. The double standard won't permit it.

TIm - Jan 04 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

Wow! down below this post you tell Nate the following regarding "Silver Penguin" being all over page 1 and 2 (about which you were silent!):

*I gave up commenting on those multiple posts since it is not effective.*

Enough said. No doubt this will give you something to circumnavigate...

Tim - Jan 04 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

Gee, where were you yesterday when "Silver Penguin" was all over page 1 and part of page 2...just for color differences?

You know, it's appropriate to post a 1024 paper under 1024...isn't it? Or are we all to bury those papers in with 1280 papers so those who just look under 1024s can't see them?

Seems to me you are not being consistent!

Show me the KDELOOK policy that says this is wrong... OK?

For those who come along later, let me reiterate that your pretense of "patience" and "reasonableness" is false. On another thread, you have taken my conversion testimony and totally perverted it. Someone else even "tapped you on the shoulder" about that.

And as others have noted, who are you? are you a KDELOOK admin?

One day, whether you believe it or not, you will stand before Jesus CHrist, who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Even though you have repeatedly slandered me without cause, I offer you the message that transformed my life in 1998; JEsus Christ came as God in human flesh. He lived in time-space-history, died for your sin and mine in time-space-history and physically and literally rose from the dead in real time-space-history. He offers you eternal life.

But you must be willing to kill your pride and repent. you must choose to turn around and trust in Him and what He has done for you.

If you want to pay the penalty for your sin through eternity, that is your sad choice. Jesus already paid it for you.

The choice is yours. Your blood is on your own hands now.

Tim - Jan 04 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

*I noticed that one and you are right I didn't comment on that one. I gave up commenting on those multiple posts since it is not effective.*

Hypocrite. You haven't. You're just selective, as are the others.


"they percieve that I do this to keep my work on the front page".

Then they percieve wrongly....and I am not responsible for what others *think*.


In the past you have been asked by Nate why you even click on my work. This was after you said my work had obvious traits...

Please answer Nate and me now...you haven't yet done this...Since my work is so obvious, why do you even mess with it? why do you even click on the thumbnails? No self control? You're not responsible?

Surely you can give a direct answer to this. But as Alethia has said to you in the other thread, you won't. You'll navigate your way around the issue...as Nate has already said...to take the light off yourself.

I'm still waiting for you to be consistent and post something about the silver penguin papers. Come on! And the next time I post a 1024 x 768 paper (which is legitimate), I'm sure that you'll show me the KDELOOK policy that says it isn't right.



For Nate:

It's all yours. Sorry to interject, but his hypocrisy compelled me to it.

-- tim - Jan 04 2004
Vine and Branches

Wallpaper Other by alethia 31 comments

Hey! 63%, 38 downloads already. Pretty good!

Simple. Good.

Tim - Jan 02 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 29 comments

Hey Muttox, I'll keep that in mind for something in the future.

Tim - Dec 29 2003
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 29 comments

I'll ignore the reference to "behavior"; That is just plain inflammatory. HOWEVER, I DO appreciate your SPECIFIC comments about this particular submission.

Blessings to you,

Tim - Dec 29 2003
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 29 comments

Thanks, Slackdude. Actually, it was a bit accidental, just a result of playing around a little one afternoon with the new release of Gimp.

Blessings,

Tim - Dec 29 2003
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 29 comments

Thanks for the good word and I'll see what I can do!

Tim - Dec 29 2003
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 29 comments

Well, you know, I appreciate your feedback!

Tim - Dec 29 2003
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 29 comments

Thank you. - Dec 29 2003
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 29 comments

1. I have seen atheistic bumper stickers. I ignore them.

2. This wallpaper is posted and marked in the description as for believers. The Name is "Embrace the Son". It would have been simple to not click on the link to this page. It was your choice.

3. You have the choice of ignoring the message. The gospel is offered, and you are free to ignore it.

4. As far as general evangelism, Jesus DID say that His followers are to "Go and make disciples...". People complain of hypocrites in the church. Well, If I don't obey what Christ commanded, then that would make me a hypocrite!

-- tim - Dec 29 2003
Black_Earth

Wallpaper Other by MagiNathan 7 comments

Hey Bro!

Just wondering if you still have the .xcf file? if so could you rescale to 128x1024 and re-do the text at that res?

Whatever you decide, thanks!

Tim - Dec 27 2003
Black_Earth

Wallpaper Other by MagiNathan 7 comments

And very well done. Thanks!

Tim - Dec 25 2003
Life is a Dash...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 42 comments

Your statement is not an uncommon one. Howver, it stems from what I will, as politely as possible, state is an errant understanding of an unbeliever's relationship with God....

1. We are all sinners in the face of a holy God. We are a fallen race. "All have sinned and fallen short of the GLory of God." Originally, we were made in a pure state. Then the rebellion came in Adam.

2. God, Who made us, is not just "loving" but also "just". Because of this, his justice demands to be satisfied. "The wages of sin is death..."

3. God, because he is Holy, Just and created us, has the perfect right to blow us all away and send us all to hell in an instant. Frankly, that would be His perfect right to do that.

But it's His Mercy that keeps him from doing it.

4. Because you and I cannot pay the debt for our sin against an infinitely holy God, someone else had to do it. That person was Himself, revealed in the person of Jesus Christ.

Your "debt" due to sin is infinite. You could never pay it...So, the Judge, in this case, has come down from the bench, taken off his robe, and paid it himself.

THAT, my friend, is love. He was under NO obligation to do that.

We are not puppets. He doesn't force you to accept what He has done. What he DOES do (and rightly) is tell you to repent and trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

It is Christ's resurrection from the dead that tells us that His sacrifice (payment) for our sin is acceptable. It's not an allegory or fairy tale. It happened in time/space/history.

So, Jesus stands there, looks you in the face and says "What will you do with me"? Will you turn around (repent) and take Him as your own? Or will you reject Him and pay the just cost for your sin.

You see, God wants you to enjoy Him and His presence. But your sin has separated you from God. Justice demands payment. Love has paid it. So if you go to hell, it's because you've refused to accept the payment on your bahalf.

God is looking for people who want to fellowship with and enjoy Him forever.

Jesus Christ Himself said that He is "THE way, THE truth, and THE life...no one comes to the Father but by..." Christ.

God is offering you an infinitely gracious gift, my friend.

Tim - Dec 20 2003
Life is a Dash...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 42 comments

No sweat, brother! - Dec 14 2003
Life is a Dash...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 42 comments

I never will (by God's grace) get used to this idea of everybody running around worrying about "someone else *might* be offended". For cryin' out loud.

There's enough abuse of the word "offended" in the first person sense. Now we're running interferance for everybody else.

We need helmet laws for the politically correct. They get hurt way too easily!

Tim - Dec 14 2003
Come To Me...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

Hi.

The low scores are typical of what Christian wallpapers get here. There are two other people who have posted them..."Alethia" and "Groundhog3000". Both have typically had the same happen to them...and some have now disappeared after staying in the 30's. Whether they were zerod out or the poster removed them, I don't know.

The only exception I've seen so far is one that simply has "faith", "hope", "love" on it. It's doing pretty well, but then the message isn't very pointed.

The common point in all of the Christian papers is the message. I've posted things here with no message, then added one, only to see the score go down afterwords. No other changes...and I added the text for that purpose.

The Christian community here at KDE-LOOK is a minority, but there is one here. And that is who I target. As a matter of fact, I have generally made a point to stipulate that my wallpapers are for other believers. You wouldn't think that by some of the responses you read. I never expect the score to be high because, as I mentioned, we are the minority. I basically judge by the number of downloads. That is the TRUE "yes" vote...in fact, I'd argue that it should register as a vote...some download and don't vote at all. The voting system is overrated.

Thanks for the question. It's relevant.

Tim - Dec 14 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

*Tolerance does not mean believing all viewpoints to be equally valid.*

Then I don't know where you got your definition; having worked on a University campus, I can tell you that isn't the definition I've learned. Also, the NEA has been pushing a definition that goes past the current one to say "EBRACE and ENCOURAGE the values of others."

No thanks.

--tim - Dec 14 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

I'm glad you asked.

If you check any of those types of paper you mentioned, you will find I have NEVER posted anything on them.

You see, I choose to pass that stuff by.

Tim - Dec 14 2003
Life is a Dash...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 42 comments

Thank you. I couldn't have said it any better.

-- tim - Dec 13 2003
The Heavens Declare...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 48 comments

Thanks! - Dec 10 2003
Come To Me...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

Thanks for a great obsrvation. As a matter of fact, many of my submissions openly have "For other Christians" *Plainly* worded in the description...then you go down the thread and see this kind of stuff....even after I remind them of who it is for...

Thanks, and Merry Christmas!

Tim - Dec 10 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

Nope. Not about *the person*. It's about the behavior, which is a choice.

God loves sinners such as me, but hates their sin, including mine. He "commands all men everywhere to repent".

-- Tim - Dec 10 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

*Did you know that they are anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-evolution, anti-separation-of-state-and-church and anti-free-media?*

...what's your point? - Dec 10 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

Thank you John!

Take care brother!

Tim - Dec 09 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 10 comments

No, it's not about "saying something I don't like"...If it were, I would have done that by now. I have thicker skin than that.

My warning has nothing to do with the periodic comments but threads that are permeated with flames.

THere is no sense in that. What you or anyone else types is your choice.

I'd be just as happy if it were nice and quiet...try me!

:)

Tim - Dec 09 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

Intolerant? Well, if by "tolerance" you mean that there is no one "Truth" that rules above all others...yes, it sure is intolerant!

TRUTH by definition is narrow. Even when you go to the doctor, and he says he MUST do something, I don't think you say he's being "narrow".

You either believe in the law of non-contradiction or you do not. If you don't, then you cannot say I am wrong...because everything is equally true. If you DO believe in the law of non-contradiction, then you must allow for a real truth "out there" and that just maybe I'm right.

Which is it?

All religions at one point or another have some form of exclusivity. Islam would convert you by force at the point of a sword. Is that tolerant? I hold no sword...and you have the freedom to walk away and ignore me.

Jesus Christ said that HE is THE way, THE truth and THE life...and no one gets to the Father but by HIM. His claims were VERY exclusive. He said that "the gate is NARROW and FEW find it."

The Bible isn't true because I believe it, I believe it because it is TRUE. It's not true because it works, it works because it is TRUE.

Tim - Dec 09 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

As has been discussed before in previous threads, the scriptures have been demonstrated to be historically/archaeologically/prophetically reliable. There is evidence to trust them.

By way of analogy, when you go to a restaurant, you trust the food you get because you have a track record with the restaurant...you eat the food without concern of being poisoned because you trust them...and know they can be trusted. That's not circular...the same is true with God's Word.

Tim - Dec 09 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

Discussion is fine. A thread permeated with flaming, cursing and other filth is not...besides it accomplishes nothing.

If I'm a troll...which by definition means looking to start a fight...why would I then say I'd terminate a fight?

See? We just had a calm discussion and I didn't even clear the thread!

:)

Tim - Dec 09 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

...compared to eternity, this life is to be compared to a speck in the expanse of space.

The question you must answer is, will you recognize that you were created by God to live for Him and not yourself...and to enjoy personal fellowship with Him forever?

You can criticize the art...but I warn you against ignoring the most important part...the message.

Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you too can be saved.

Tim - Dec 08 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

Quoting Thomas Jefferson sounds good...especially if you consider the push to "privatize" faith and the expression of it. Jefferson's quote sounds convincing until you consider two things:

Jefferson (as I have told you before) was a deist. He was not a Christian.

Jesus Christ tought and still teaches through His Word that we are not to hide our faith.

Even if Jefferson were a Christian, the words of Christ are authoritative over and above Jefferson.

The apostle Paul is an example of this. He was often beaten for his evangelism. He was stoned, beaten and left for dead outside Jerusalem. What'd he do? Learn his lesson on political correctness? No, he obeyed God and got back up and went back into Jerusalem.

The issue is this, when someone is walking off the edge of a cliff, it is NOT loving to just let them do it because warning them might offend them. Whether you want to admit it or face it, Soyburg, you are walking toward a spiritual cliff.

Jesus Christ died on a cross for you. He had been scourged until his flesh hung from his body. He was barely recognizable as a human being. He was spat on. His beared was pulled out. But he allowed himself to fullfil his mission: To die for the sin of man, yours and mine.

I was saved out of pornography and a host of other trash. I know what it is like to live on the other side. The PC arguments on "privatization" have no leverage on me because I have learned that Christ loved me enough to hang naked on that cross, bearing the penalty for my personal sin...as if He had done it all Himself. Being God, and being omnicient, he knew about me and my sin...and as he bore it, he said "Father, forgive them..." including me...and you. All I had to do was grasp that by faith and lay it all down for Him.

So, keep it to myself? No. No way. Not after what Christ did for me.

There is no question about what Christ did for you.

The question is; what will you do with Him? Or more importantly, what will your pride keep you from doing with Him? - Dec 08 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 10 comments

*once someone objects the art or the subject*

Flaming and objecting are two different things.

Bye Soyburg.

Tim - Dec 08 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

*when it gets voted down*

Please reread the quote you supplied.

Tim - Dec 08 2003