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The Lamp (Psalm 119:105)

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 11 comments

So, this is more or less a badly made copy of a copyrighted work? Makes me wonder how many more of Tim's wallpapers are rip-offs? - Feb 13 2004
mY second wallpaper

Wallpaper Other by browntim 18 comments

I think you are missing the point "browntim" is trying to make. He is obviously making fun of Tim Brown and his continuing flow of ghastly wallpapers and not of Christianity itself. - Feb 12 2004
mY second wallpaper

Wallpaper Other by browntim 18 comments

I don't think this wallpaper is about persecution of Christianity. From the style of the wallpaper (clearly based on Tim Brown's post-gradient work) and the text it is obviously a parody and criticism of the generally low quality wallpapers with biblical text that TB seems to post on a very regular basis. By doing this he is giving the impression that his main goal is not to post nice usable wallpapers but only to spread biblical texts via KDE-look. He seems to use the wallpapers as some kind of electronic flyer you sometimes get from those people who periodically knock on your door to spread "The Word" and never seem to get the message that you are not interested. Clearly some users see TB's postings as an abuse of KDE-look and are therefore critical of Tim. If Tim wasn't a Christian and did the same for some other religion he would probably have been criticised as well. (I say probably since so far those with other religions (No doubt plenty of them around)don't seem to feel the need to spread/promote their religious views through ugly, unusable wallpapers on KDE-look.) - Feb 12 2004
Double-Edged Sword (Hebrews 4:12a)

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 2 comments

Hi Tim,

Are you by chance an AA-pilot? Somehow this article reminded me of you:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3472265.stm

On second thought that pilot must be some other loony. No pilot has enough time to mass produce low quality wallpapers. Which reminds me: when are you going to put up your own wallpaper depository? You sure have enough wallpapers to do so.
- Feb 10 2004
By the Living Waters (Psalm 1)

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 7 comments

Couldn't have done it myself

In that case you must have failed kindergarten ;) I've seen better pictures made by kids in a creche using fingerpaint and potato stamps. - Feb 08 2004
By the Living Waters (Psalm 1)

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 7 comments

You forgot to draw the Teletubby! Or is this supposed to be the world as seen and drawn (well...smudged would be a better word) by a Teletubby? - Feb 07 2004
God So Loved

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 34 comments

Well, I have to hand it to Tim, his wallpapers can bring up some interesting discussions. I have been watching this one and wasn’t planning on adding to it but I couldn’t resist ;)
In answer to Oxydeadbeef Tim wrote

And again, we see your prejudice. If it's in the Bible, it must not be reliable. Again, where is your proof? For hundreds of years now, archaeologists have used the bible to find things that people said were mythical. Yet, the scriptures led them to it!

Right…so according to Tim the fact that archaeologists have used the bible to find things that people said were mythical is proof that the bible is reliable. This is of course a nonsense argument.
Take any religious/mythological text and you will find references to places and events from reality. For example many places mentioned in Greek mythology still exist today (e.g. the labyrinth on Crete, the temple at Delphi etc.etc.) and some events mentioned in Greek mythology are based on events that happened in reality. Archaeologists have used Greek mythology to help locate places (Troje?) and find things that people said were mythical. Using Tim’s logic this means that the stories Greek mythology must be a correct representation of realty of a few thousand years ago. Does this mean we can all expect to have to pay Charon to cross the river Styx when we die?

When it comes to reliability of the bible I always ask myself: how do the scriptures as Tim likes to say fit in what we today know about the universe, the world, life etc.
To me there seem to be many contradictions between the two. Last year Tim put up a wallpaper showing the Orion Nebula. I found this to be very ironic, since this Nebula is a so-called star nursery. The picture shows the creation of stars and possibly solar systems in progress. (And guess what..it takes more than 6 days) How about the fact that the earth existed billions of years before homo-sapiens existed. How about the dinosaurs, the several extinction events, evolution etc. etc.? How do they fit in? The answer is: they don’t.
Of course some people like to take a pre-renaissance approach to all this and simply deny anything that doesn’t seem to fit in with the scriptures even if the evidence is right in front of their noses. Evolution, dinosaurs? Nah.. I don’t care how much evidence there is..it’s not in the book so it can’t be. The book is the only reliable source of the truth and that’s that.
I can’t do that. For me there are to many inconsistencies between the bible and our knowledge to cal the bible reliable. - Jan 21 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

I don't see any comments in the aqua pengin post that's all over the front page right now. I don't remember who put you in charge of the multi-post police force, but you sure are inconsistant.

First of all...who is the "you" you refer to? I can't speak for others who commented.
Regarding the aqua penguinpost: I noticed that one and you are right I didn't comment on that one. I gave up commenting on those multiple posts since it is not effective. What is needed is a wallpaper filter (See Dicussion threads)
Anyway if you read the thread you will notice I only responded to someone else's comment on the multiple versions of this wallpaper...

Ahh, so you do give Tim "more flak" flames and claim your behavior is based on unfounded assumtions.

Quite a lot of others have observed Tim's tendency to keep his wallpapers on the frontpage in the past and mentioned it so I don't know whether you can call those assumptions unfounded.


I think this high horse of the attention-seekers police force is a veil to hide your hatred behind.

What hatred are you talking about? Once again I can only speak for myself and can tell you there is no hatred involved here. Where did you get that idea? Are you someone who thinks that anybody who doesn't share his religion must hate him? Don't be so paranoid!

Is he seeking attention? I could possibly see this behavior in a teen boy, but not a man who's half a century old.

You haven't been around a lot have you?

Tim emails me all the time with wallpapers for me to view, and actually restrains himself from posting as much as he could because he doesn't want to be percieved in the wrong light. Unlike you, he cares about keeping his behavior in check.

He does? Then how do you explain so many people commenting on the wallpapers and his behaviour in the past months? Seems to me he is already being percieved in the wrong light by many kde-look users.


Well, aren't you the master of cheap debating tricks? But for the clarity of others who might read this (cuz you already know) I wasn't dodging your "issue" cuz it wasn't an issue. First of all it didn't have anything to do with my original post.

May I remind you that you were the one who brought it up the KKK in the first place by comparing those with negative comments on this wallpaper to the KKK.

I wasn't talking about the KKK you refered to.

So...it was purely coincidental that you used an abreviation made up from three K's? You didn't mean to link to the "other" KKK?

I was talking about the posse-like behavior here. Second, the KKK you refer to was about as christain as the roman catholic church.

Whoops. The last time I looked the Catholic church was definately Christian. Or maybe that statue of Jesus Christ above the altar got there accidently?

They held to an apostate Aryan theory which was anything but Biblical,

I noticed there are many different interpretations and different versions of the Bible. The KKK may choose a different interpretation, but that doesn't mean they aren't Christians. They believe as much in Jesus Christ as you do. (Assuming you are a CHristian) Of course it's more conveniant for other Christians to deny the KKK is Christian because the KKK consists of a bunch of idiots we all could do without.

so since your post mentioned theer religion, I ignored it as the obvious attempt to take the light off you that it was.
But for the record, you and the rest of the Kde Klux Klan seem to be just as bigotted as the former KKK because you'd like nother better than to see Tim's membership here "hung" so that you don't have to deal with his likes anymore, and all because you don't like the way his skins look. (get the pun?)

You clearly haven't been reading the comments over the past months or you didn't understand what was being said.
I have noticed a number of reasons why people are responding to Tim's wallpapers. Some respond because Tim sometimes seems a bit misguided in the science department. Others respond because Tim seems to mass produce wallpapers that any 4 year old can make. (I was happy to see there is some improvement now) There are some that respond because Tim seems to want to keep his wallpapers on the frontpage, ignoring the voting system etc. And then there is the religious issue. Some respond because they like to see this site free of political and religious ideas because they like to keep the site neutral since it is an international site visited by people from many different pollitical and religious backgrounds. I probably missed some so i suggest you read some older threads. Anyway..I don't get the impression they comment because of Tim is Christian. There is no persecution as you seem to imply.

If you're motives for giving him "more flak" weren't so transparent, it might pass off as boyish bullying, but even then it would still be bad form.

So...if they are so transparent..what do you think the motives are? - Jan 04 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

I'm not sure it is posse-like behaviour. There just quite a few people who seem to have a problem with Tim's wallpapers and behaviour and those people choose to respond on their own accord. That's not ganging-up is it? And if I remember correctly most of those people agreed that this wallpaper is an improvement on Tim's previous works and even complimented him on it. (I did anyway) If they were out to lynch Tim they wouldn't do that would they? - Jan 03 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

Well..okay. I don't know about the others but I did comment on others who posted multiple versions of wallpapers seperately . I think Tim gets a bit more flak on this issue because some get the impression that he just makes minor updates etc. to keep the wallpapers in the spotlight.
By the way..you seem to be dodging the KKK being Chrisians issue..... - Jan 03 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

Hmmmm..KKK? Nah..that's a religious bunch, so i don't think many of Tim's critics will belong to those "people". (If you can call them that) - Jan 03 2004
Lost Tux

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 8 comments

All roads lead to Rome? - Jan 03 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 28 comments

So? You can have multiple versions/resolutions of a wallpaper as one entry. No need to post them seperately. - Jan 01 2004
Embrace the Son

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 29 comments

That's a lot better. Well done. - Dec 29 2003
window

Wallpaper Other by xtefen 6 comments

my english is terrible...
No worries. Still a lot better than my Italian ;) - Dec 23 2003
window

Wallpaper Other by xtefen 6 comments

So you have got a digital camera.
A few of the pictures you uploaded are nice and maybe even usuable as backgrounds but please don't flood the site with so many of them. - Dec 23 2003
...I Know better than you (II)...

Wallpaper Other by tihkal 26 comments

Wow...this is realy moving artwork. It's so beautiful. Truely amazing Gimp work. Am I right in thinking that the great Tim, master of gradients and copy-pasting, the all round art guru, is your inspiration? - Dec 15 2003
crystal xcursors

Cursors by mart 125 comments

Thanks! - Dec 14 2003
The Game According to Hoyle

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 9 comments

Hi Tim,

At it again I see. Are you going to continue to revive your old wallpapers to get them back into the spotlight? Recycling is usually a good thing but in this case I doubt that is the case.
On the subject of the wallpaper: some say everything in nature must have been created because such complexity cannot come into existence by itself. I guess you support that.
According to some earlier comments by you and by some others God just exists and was not created, yet he is perfect and complex superior being. Do you see the contradiction here? - Dec 13 2003
Life is a Dash...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 42 comments

I am sitting here reading all the comments, and not understanding all the bitter replies from everyone here. Why are you so offended, none of Tims wallpapers are offensive.

First of all, they may not seem offensive to you but may well be offensive to others.
Secondly most of the bitter reply's are from people who think Tim is simply abusing KDE-look to push his religious ideas. Take a look at his wallpapers. They are generally nothing more than simple (gradient) backgrounds with some clipart and text pasted on to them. Anyone with very basic Gimp skills can make such a wallpaper in just a few minutes. But that seems to be the idea: massproduction. It seems Tim cares more about spreading "the Word" than in creating nice wallpapers. If it was just one wallpaper that wouldn't be such a problem..but he seems intent on continously flooding this site with those rubishy wallpapers.
And than there is his behaviour. Yesterday he flooded the frontpage of KDE-look because he "updated" some wallpapers that had received bad ratings in the past and had dropped below the 30% threshold. He doesn't seem to like the voting system obscuring his messages. In my opinion he showed no respect for KDE-look by doing so.
So the bitterness is easily explained: Most of Tim's critics see Tim as nothing more than an anoying spammer. - Dec 13 2003
The Heavens Declare...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 48 comments

Another link to a slightly better quality original: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1995/45/image/a


I wonder if Tim read some of the accompanying text:

Hubble Space Telescope observing time was devoted to making this panorama because the nebula is a vast laboratory for studying the processes which gave birth to our own Sun and solar system 4.5 billion years ago.

The mosaic reveals at least 153 glowing protoplanetary disks (first discovered with the Hubble in 1992, and dubbed "proplyds") that are believed to be embryonic solar systems that will eventually form planets. (Our solar system has long been considered the relic of just such a disk that formed around the newborn Sun). The abundance of such objects in the Orion nebula strengthens the argument that planet formation is a common occurrence in the universe.


Ironic isn't it? The subject of your wallpaper casts some serious doubts on the Earth/Universe being created in 6 days. - Dec 12 2003
The Heavens Declare...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 48 comments

For those who like the background image without the rubish that Tim pasted onto it the original can be found at:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap951121.html - Dec 12 2003
The Heavens Declare...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 48 comments

For those who like the background image without the rubish that Tim pasted onto it the original can be found at:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap951121.html - Dec 12 2003
Life is a Dash...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 42 comments

This must be from your early period. Not even a gradient as background! Not that it matters. Like all your wallpapers this can be knocked up in 5 minutes by just about anybody with some very basic Gimp skills.
Your skills don't seem to evolve, but I suppose that is only to be expected from someone who doesn't believe in evolutionary processes ;) - Dec 12 2003
The Heavens Declare...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 48 comments

Ah I see. Good to know if I ever loose my temper and kill a few people. - Dec 12 2003
The Heavens Declare...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 48 comments

Look at Tim, he's not affected in any way you try to put him down. Maybe he knows he's in the truth.

Of course he can also just be a fool who chooses to ignore comments that he doesn't like. Believing in "Truth" is no requirement for spamming.
By the way: which verion of "the Truth" are we talking about? There seem to be different versions. - Dec 12 2003
The Heavens Declare...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 48 comments

I don't think Tim is young. And it may not all be about ego. I get the impression Tim does this partly because he sinned in the past, as a way of doing penance. Maybe he hopes that all sins will be forgiven if he spreads "The Word".
Of course it would be silly if that would be the way it worked. It would for example mean that someone who committed a crime but turned to God wouldn't be punished while non-religious people who lived good and honourable lives would end up in hell. - Dec 12 2003
The Heavens Declare...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 48 comments

Hmmmm...that's a very black and white view of the world that is not very realistic since the world is made up from shades of grey. I for example am not religious, but that doesn't mean I am against religion. Disagreeing with ideas is not the same as opposing them. So i disagree but am not against. Where does that leave me according to "Whoever is not against us is for us"? - Dec 12 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

No I think the point is that the ideas on the site you refer to seem a bit extreme. I see quite a few parallels with other fundamentalist religious organisations like the Taleban: both are anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-evolution, anti-separation-of-state-and-church and anti-free-media and no doubt many more parallels can be found.
I think that if you support the ideas of this kind of organisation you have no right to complain about China violating the right to religious freedom. Shame on you. - Dec 11 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

And to the person that said that the statement "SomeOne + nothing = everything" didn't make sense, I have a question. Why not? I mean, think about this. If there is a God, then He created everything, including time itself. If He created time, that would mean He would have to exist outside of time. If God exists in timelessness, he is eternal. Eternity means that there is no begining and no end. Thus, God would have no begining (and no end, for that matter). He would always just BE. He would be a self-sufficient being, not needing to be created by someone or something. And because He is God, He can create anything and everything he wants to. Therefore, the statement "SomeOne + nothing = everything" does make sense. God can take nothing and create everything from that nothingness. I hope that makes sense to you.

Several people said it made no sense. Your explanation doesn't change a thing about that. You are saying: God just is, was and has been, period. If you can believe that then why can't you believe life just came into existance by itself?

God(s) are definitly created...by man. They are the ultimate explanation for everything man doesn't understand.

O and Why did God need 6 days for the creation of Earth if he is outside of time? - Dec 11 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

Who created God? - Dec 11 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

Someone asked why matter couldn't be eternal. A simple way to explain why this is impossible is: If matter is eternal, then it would have used up all energy an eternity ago. If you have something that you would like to point out to me that relates to this, post it and I'll try to get around to getting more in-depth.

Maybe you should take a look at Einsteins famous equation that deals with mass-energy equivalence. In it's simplest form the equasion is: E=MC^2 or ENERGY equals MASS times the speed of light squared.

According to Einstein energy can be transformed into mass and mass can be transformed into energy. Mass and energy are not conserved seperately, but are conserved as a single entity called mass-energy. Hence, energy and mass are considred to be equivalent concepts.

If you want to hear Einsteins explain this himself visit:
http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/voice1.htm - Dec 11 2003
The Heavens Declare...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 48 comments

Hi Tim,

Once again a wallpaper that is rubish. Just a picture from NASA (I guess) to which some text and a picture of Wehrner von Braun is added. It looks like one of those touristy postcards.
You could at least make an effort to be a little artistic. I guess massproduction is more important to you then quality. - Dec 11 2003
Come To Me...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

So...if someone posted a kkk-poster (to name some other religious people) and wrote "for KKK minded people only" that would be ok according to you? - Dec 10 2003
Come To Me...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

What if it's not meant to spread a message?

It is according to Tim if you read some of his comments. Comments allong the lines of "the message is more important than the art" and:


I think it was Peter who underscored this principle when he said in his epistle to preach the Word, "in season and out of season". In other words, regardless of "appropriateness" or consequences. Whether you're ready or not. Whether it's on friendly turf or not. The stakes are too high.

If we wait till we're given "permission", we'll never be able to speak!

Need we say more? - Dec 10 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

My guess is that's where he "found Christ" in the first place going by some of his previous comments that are hinting at having rage problems, needing rescue from pornography etc. etc. I wouldn't be surprised if he sees posting these wallpapers as a form of doing penance for some earlier sins, to avoid frying in hell. I could be wrong of course. - Dec 10 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

Tell me Tim, if the TRUTH can be found in the bible why are there several different versions of the bible? Does this mean there are different versions of the TRUTH? Seems a bit odd to me. Which TRUTH is the true TRUTH? - Dec 10 2003
Come To Me...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

If you haven't yet done so, and have the time, why not send KDE-LOOK an email and thank them for allowing a diverse array of work? Thanks!

Ahem..that's rich comming from someone who doesn't seem to respect the voting system that was put in place. You are just abusing KDE-look to spread your message. You yourself have more than once said that "the message" is the important, not the art. Maybe we should send an e-mail to KDE-look to notify the admin that the site is being hijacked by some religious fanatic. - Dec 10 2003
Come To Me...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

If you look at the artists work, ALL of his posts are rated below 50%

Yep most of them seem to hover around the 30% threshold, but I have a sneaky suspicion that will change. Some of these wallpapers have been on the site for weeks if not months and for some strange reason their rating seems to have started improving. Tim's wallpapers seem to have have been rediscovered. Or maybe it's a case of divine intervention? And then there are the trivial "updates" when ratings on wallpapers fall. I guess Tim doesn't like his message getting obscured by some silly voting system. - Dec 10 2003
Come To Me...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

Maybe because it is just a gradient with some clipart figure (Obi Wan Kenobi?)pasted in the centre? Anyone can knock up a wallpaper like this in just a couple of minutes, and that is if they are slow workers. No artistic skills required.
- Dec 10 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

You needed to be saved from something as boring as pornography? - Dec 10 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

oops..typo. That last part should be:

I would have thought the point would be blatantly obvious to someone complaining about people in China not being free to practice their religion? - Dec 10 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

Hi Tim, you have been busy uploading old wallpapers I see. I guess their low rating was not to your liking?
Any way....i noticed that you are saying "Whats your point?" to a question about Faith2Action being anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-evolution, anti-separation-of-state-and-church and anti-free-media.
I would have thought the point would be blatantly obvious to someone complaining about people in China not being free to practice their relion? - Dec 10 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

By way of analogy, when you go to a restaurant, you trust the food you get because you have a track record with the restaurant...you eat the food without concern of being poisoned because you trust them...and know they can be trusted.

Amusing. You'll be amazed at the amount of people who get food poisening at reputable restaurants with good trackrecords. - Dec 09 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

Ehhhmmmm.....what has al this rambling got to do with my comment on the quality of your art work?
As for ignoring the message..we are here for wallpapers and other eyecandy, not for messages and sermons. If I wanted sermons from some self proclaimed prophet like you I would go and join a sect or something.
Thankfully not all Christians are like you. I know quite a few deeply religious people and they don't try to force their religion onto others by continuously spreading "the message". This doesn't mean they don't talk about religion and their activities for their church, they just accept the fact that not everyone will share their religion. They believe in living their lives and just hope some of their values and believes will rub off onto others.
We get along very well. I think their approach is much better than yours and so do they. They think your approach is extremely counter productive and is more likely to push people further away from Christ. I have to agree on that. - Dec 09 2003
Unto Us a Child is Born

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

nothing seems to change even if you don't watch it for a while.
Still knocking up those 3 minutes work "gradient with biblical quote" wallpapers I see. You could at least try and make a nice looking wallpaper. You can do a lot more with The Gimp.
Anyway..why are you featuring Obi Wan Kenobi on your wallpaper? - Dec 08 2003
Rememberance

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 51 comments

Yes Tim, you are right. The way members of the Falun Gong are treated, often violates human rights. I think the best thing you can do is to petition your government to take action like withdrawing China's "most-favoured”
trading partner status. (I'm assuming you are in the US) Of course this will also hurt the economy of the US and your government isn't likely to allow that, but you can always try. O and don't forget about the thousands of innocent people arround the world who are being indifinetily imprissoned for no good reason whatsoever and without any prospect of a fair trail. - Nov 25 2003
Rememberance

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 51 comments

See, if you're going to argue against Scripture then you have to argue against what it actually states :) Scripture posits that God defines good and evil, and does whatever He pleases. If He pleases to not tolerate something, then it is good for Him to do so. If He defines what is good and evil, then He is outside of the bonds of guilt.

Hmmm…so God defines good and evil and therefore is above it? So God is in fact immoral?
This still doesn’t explain why God allowed the possibility of non-believers and other religions. Of course you can say: well he must have had a reason but that is not a real answer. If God doesn’t tolerate non believers than why allow for the possibility in the first place and then, in your words, punish those non-believers by sending them to hell? Sounds a bit sadistic to me. Of course God will be beyond sadistic as well.

As for Mark making things up, how do you know he didn't? I won't give you the benefit of the doubt, unless you have a compelling reason to share that Mark did make it up. Do you?

As you know it nearly always impossible to prove a negative. But you can’t prove the positive, that Mark wasn't making things up, either. That's why it's called belief I guess. I don't, you do but neither case will probably ever be proven.


The analogy is not far above your understanding, and yet...

Don’t worry. I do understand the analogy; I just don’t take it very seriously because it is a very bad one. Last time I looked there was a huge difference between clay and humans. Humans do question their existence, it’s human nature. (One of the results is religion..at least that is the theory I subscribe to.) Clay on the other hand…is just clay.(as far as we know ;)

I'm not implying that God is imperfect. Is it your position that God could not have a reason to make "pots" of wrath prepared for destruction? If that is your position, then cite your source of knowledge.

That’s turning my question around. My question was: why should God allow the existence of non-believers and other religions? I’m not saying that God could not have a reason to make "pots" of wrath prepared for destruction as you say. I just want to know the reason, because it seems very illogical. Why bother with something you can’t tolerate when you can prevent it in the first place? Of course it could have been a mistake, but then again a perfect God wouldn't make one would he?

Non-responsiveness. I find your answers lacking understanding, although the analogy is clear to see. I'm disappointed that there is so little substance in your responses.

Well I am not the one hiding behind cliché’s like: If He pleases to not tolerate something, then it is good for Him to do so. That like answering a question with: just because. - Nov 25 2003
Rememberance

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 51 comments

As for your statements, they demonstrate a lack of understanding of the actual doctrines as presented in Scripture.

What scripture whould the be? There are a lot of scriptures around, and not all have to do with Christianity....

Can God be guilty of intolerance?

You tell me. From what Mark 16:15-16 tell it definitly seems to be the case. (Assuming Mark speaks on behalf of God. Mmm interesting point: how do we actually know he wasn't making things up?)

Does the pot say to the potter, "why have you made me like this?"

Don't know. I don't tend to have conversations with pots. ;)

Or does not the potter have the right to make from the same clay, one pot for honor, and another for destruction?

Never known a potter to destroy a perfectly good pot, only ones that are faulty or broken during fireing. If God is perfect there won't be any faulty pots that need destruction. Are you implying that God isn't perfect?

Who is the clay to answer back to the potter?

Clay doesn't, humans do. - Nov 25 2003
Rememberance

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 51 comments

You don't seem to understand the point that tihkal is making. According to Mark 16:15-16 non believers will burn. In other words: non-believers will not be tollerated by God, even if they lead honarable and good lifes. Oh and why punish those who don't believe or have different religions? Wouldn't that be the result of a design flaw by God?


- Nov 25 2003