Rememberance

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 51 comments

Why all the updates? Nothing seems to be changing. - Nov 25 2003
Rememberance

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 51 comments

Ah look on the bright site. Nearly everyone will end up in hell according to these guys. It's gonna be one great BBQ party ;) - Nov 25 2003
Rememberance

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 51 comments

Ehh...what does a divine pre-determined punishemnt have to do with human tolerance?

You need to ask? Very sad indeed. - Nov 25 2003
Rememberance

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 51 comments

Oh..and as for the admins..i wonder why he/they still have to notice that Tim is just hijacking this site to spread "the word".
His latest comment sais it all:


If we wait till we're given "permission", we'll never be able to speak! :)
I think it was Peter who underscored this principle when he said in his epistle to preach the Word, "in season and out of season". In other words, regardless of "appropriateness" or consequences. Whether you're ready or not. Whether it's on friendly turf or not. The stakes are too high. - Nov 25 2003
Rememberance

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 51 comments

Skipping is not easy since the thumbnail view on the index page does not show who the creator of a wallpaper is. The only way to find out is to view it.
Having said that: this one was easy to recognise. Even from the thumbnail view the trademark gradients and low quality of Tim's work are obvious. - Nov 25 2003
Fellowship of the Unashamed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 15 comments

"It'd be nice if people could learn that a life of non-offense is not reasonable to expect...unless of course we all dump any and all convictions and don't express what we believe anywhere. But that is not realistic."

Seems to work nicely where I am. I work for an International organisation and everyone gets along nicely precisely because everyone knows that there is a time and place for everything.
Oh..and I wonder..will your local church newsletter publish anything it gets send? - Nov 24 2003
Fellowship of the Unashamed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 15 comments

“How very interesting. Christians are accused of being stuck-up, self-rightious, "have absolutely no tolerence" snobs, and yet look at you people telling Tim to not post his wallpaper. Your not tolerating his view at all! The Bible tells Christians to love people, but here you guys are, hating Tim just because he posted something he believes in (and I do also, if you haven't figured it out yet).”

Disliking a wallpaper is not the same as hating its creator (or his believes). I for one do not hate Tim.

”Just a thought...what if a Muslum were to post a wallpaper on kde-look.org with the Koran on it. What would be the reaction? People may not download it, and some people may not like it, but would there be many posts telling the creator of the wallpaper how his wallpaper sucks and he should keep his religion to himself? No.”

Are you sure? I think there will be quite a lot of negative comments some probably even insulting. We have seen it before, just like we have seen wallpapers claiming one religion to be better than another. That is the reason why some of us do not like to see wallpapers with any religious (not just Christian) or political messages. We like to keep KDE-look neutral, so everyone, irrespective of cultural and religious background can enjoy this site without being offended. There are no doubt much more appropriate websites for wallpapers with political or religious messages.
This is not intolerance nor is it denying someone’s right to free speech, it's just common sense. All that is being said is that this isn’t the place for those kinds of messages.

“So why are people so opposed to Christians?“

The world doesn’t work according to: you are either with us or against us. Disagreeing with some ideas is not the same as opposing. This may surprise you but some of Tim’s commentators do come from Christian backgrounds, they just don’t shout it of the roofs.

“If you've read some of the New Testiment you know that Christians are supposed to be kind and loving to all. That does not mean that they should accept all religions as true, but that they should treat all other people with respect. If you are one of the people who hate Tim's wallpaper, think about why you hate it/them. I don't think you'll have a very good reason.”

Once again: for most commentators hate does not come into it. Common sense does. Let’s keep KDE-look and the wallpapers free from ANY political and religious wallpapers so everyone can enjoy a nice neutral site that centres on eye-candy for KDE. - Nov 23 2003
Fellowship of the Unashamed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 83 comments

Just "delete the entry" will do nicely. - Nov 22 2003
Fellowship of the Unashamed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 83 comments

"how can this wallpaper offend those with Islamic background?"

Simple: the text seems to reinforce the "bad guy" stereotype of Islam that is sadly on the increase. - Nov 21 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

Whoops: "I don't think there is an answer to that question." in my previous comment should of course be: I don't think an answer to that question has yet been found. I need a coffee ;) - Nov 21 2003
Fellowship of the Unashamed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 83 comments

Okay..we'll forget about the crusades, the inquisition etc... - Nov 21 2003
Fellowship of the Unashamed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 83 comments

Hi Tim,

This is exactly why I urge you to post your wallpapers somewhere more appropriate like a Christian site where you will find your target audience. Not the wallpaper it self but the accompanying text can (and probably will) be offending to other visitors, especially those with an Islamic background. We don’t need a clash of religions on this site. - Nov 21 2003
Fellowship of the Unashamed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 15 comments

Hi Tim,

This is exactly why I urge you to post your wallpapers somewhere more appropriate like a Christian site where you will find your target audience. Not the wallpaper it self but the accompanying text can (and probably will) be offending to other visitors, especially those with an Islamic background. We don’t need a clash of religions on this site. - Nov 21 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

"the evidences for Christianity is not science but history and archaeology"

Hmmmm...i think you just insulted a lot of historians and archeologists by implying they are not scientists. And there is a lot of the archeologic evidence that raises questions about the creation in 6 days.... - Nov 21 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

"you argue that matter and energy are manifestations of the same thing and therefore must be eternal."

Hmmm..not quite. It's a combination of two seperate theories. The first is that energy is thought to be indestructable. The second is Einsteins mass-energy equivalence theory.

I guess that means you proved Tims point about matter having to originate somewhere then(matter originating in its' conversion from energy)?

Well, the big question is of course: where did matter/energy come from. I don't think there is an answer to that question. There is still a lot to learn about the universe.
Of course we can take the easy way and attribute it all to a god, just like our ancestors did when they for example needed to explain thunder. (Hmmm..must be some bloke with a really big hammer banging on the clouds) However since we don't know all theories should be considered however unlikely..including the existance of an higher power like a God. Personally I think the God theory just changes the question from "where did the universe come from" to "where did God come from" - Nov 21 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

Hi Tim,

Just some corrections to my previous comment. I wrote that one in a hurry since I had to catch a flight to Barcelona and I was late. (Very nice city by the way) First of all I said there was no law of biogenisis, at least not since the dark ages. That was not quite correct. There is no LAW of biogenisis, there is however a THEORY of biogenisis. Interestingly though this week it was reported that scientists have (again) created a virus from nothing but chemical building blocks. The virus acts exactly in the same way as the natural occuring virus. There is still a debate going on whether a virus can be considered to be a life form or not, but it won't be long before more complex structures like bacteria will be created from scratch. - Nov 21 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

"SomeOne + Nothing = Everything."

Makes no sense.

"I will say this to you *once more* only. God is Spirit, which can be eternal...I.E. outside of time. Matter cannot (theory of general relativity);"

That is not what the theory of general relativity states. In fact it states the opposite!

"matter wears out and disintegrates over time."

No it doesn't. Don't forget: the universe is an amazingly dusty place. Large pieces of matter sometimes disintigrate into smaller pieces, it is not destroyed. Some matter is converted into energy but then again..mass and energy are both manifestations of the same thing.

"This *again* has to do with the Laws of thermodynamics and Biogenesis."

Get an education before you start mentioning thermodynamics.

"Jesus said He is *The Life*. He created everything. This is life from life; which fits the law of biogenesis, unlike evolution."

Unfortunately there is no law of biogenisis. At least not since the dark ages.

"So far, you have not accepted this. What's the point in moving on and debating more? Like I have told Soyburg, I am not here for your entertainment...hence my hesitance to reply to your messages -- and I will do it no more."

Judging by the other reactions noone thinks your entertaining.


"Believe it or not, I wish you well."
And I whish you would at least do some research before you start misquoting scientists. Good luck. - Nov 19 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

"NoOne + nothing = everything.
This makes *no* sense."

Hmmm..and

noone + nothing -> god -> everything

makes sense? Where did god come from? - Nov 18 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

O almost forgot..as for the question where energy came from in the first place...the answer is 42 ;)


bye Tim - Nov 18 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

Tim, you keep on going about the laws of thermodynamics stating that matter cannot be eternal. Which of the four thermodynamic laws (including the zeroth law) states this?
Apart from that so called therodynamic law you also like to mention Einstein. This time I will quote Einstein:

"It followed from the special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing -- a somewhat unfamilar conception for the average mind. Furthermore, the equation E is equal to m c-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light, showed that very small amounts of mass may be converted into a very large amount of energy and vice versa. The mass and energy were in fact equivalent, according to the formula mentioned before"

Energy cannot be destroyed. If Einsteins theory is correct and mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing and if energy can not be destroyed (One of the fundamental laws of physics) than, contrary to what your so called law of thermodynamics states, matter must be eternal..... - Nov 18 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

Hi Tim, can you name some recent articles by prof Lipson on the subject? There should be plenty if he is an autority. And yes, since prof. Lipsons field of research is (or was) optics and x-ray diffraction which is more likely to do whith crystal structures than evolution...
Oh and evolution has very little if nothing to do with thermodynamics. Do you even know what thermodynamics refers to? Guess you never finished that undergrad degree....... - Nov 18 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

Yes, me again. Just correcting you, no offence meant although I do wonder how much research you do before you quote some scientists. - Nov 18 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 27 comments

Nor is Lipson an authority on evolution. - Nov 18 2003
"Fearfully Made"

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 49 comments

Hi Soyburg,

4D Ultrasound is a technique that takes three-dimensional ultrasound images and adds the element of time to the process resulting in an animation. Of course Tim's wallpaper is only 2D. I had a look at that website aswell. The people behind that site must be extremely narrow-minded. - Nov 17 2003
Double Trouble

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 8 comments

The views of the Christian community and those of the scientific community regarding evolution often seem to be quite different. Some (Christian) faiths are even denying the possibility of evolution altogether, ignoring the evidence from the fossil records and DNA research that prove that in the past thousands of years homo sapiens (modern man) has evolved from other species and shares common ancestors with for example other primates. - Nov 15 2003
Beginnings

KDE 3.x Splash Screens by timbrown527 18 comments

Do you call that an answer Tim? Dropping a name like Einstein doesn't validate your claim. If someone or something created time and space then why can't god have been created? Personally I like this question: did god create man...or did man create god?

Bye Tim. - Nov 03 2003
Job's Hydrology

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

By their own choice or are they mutilated when they are babies? - Oct 30 2003
Mixed-KDE

Wallpapers KDE Plasma by th.cherouny 2 comments

Very nice! - Oct 30 2003
Job's Hydrology

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

Almost forgot: bye Tim - Oct 30 2003
Job's Hydrology

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

Circumcision of babies? That's barbaric. Where I'm from that is considered to be child abuse and could land you in jail for quite a long time! - Oct 30 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

I give up. You are clearly clearly too narrow minded to see beyond your own litle world. My only advice to you is to do some traveling and to try to broaden your horizon. Good luck! - Oct 30 2003
Job's Hydrology

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

Bye Tim ;) - Oct 30 2003
Don't take no Einstein...

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 26 comments

Hi Tim,

I happened to stumble on this conversation with gvs. Very interesting subject. The sense of right and wrong may indeed be the result of synapse firing. It is well know that certain parts of our brain are responsible for learning moral and social rules, including the difference between right and wrong. The Romans weren’t as well versed in neurobiology as we are now so you might want to update your knowledge. Have a look at: http://www.nature.com/nsu/991021/991021-6.html
Interestingly religion may also be the result of synaptic activity. Some scientists believe religion is also the result of synaptic activity that originated from the need to translate a very complex world into a simpler, easier to understand model. A filter if you like. Of course you can argue that these mechanisms exist because of god. It is a difficult one: did God create man or did man create God….
- Oct 30 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

To illustrate my previous comments:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8577

- Oct 30 2003
Job's Hydrology

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 25 comments

Hi Tim. Do you realy think the hydrological cycle wasn't discovered earlier? The Mesopothamians knew, the Egyptians knew..and probably the knowledge was obtained by several others. So no mirracles here. Your art is getting better though. - Oct 30 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

Yes, you did quote me although I would rather call it “copied and pasted” since the quote is out of context. As for answering your questions: the answers should be obvious if you have read my comments carefully. The fact that you still have to ask shows that you don’t get the point. I shall try one more time. The reason I think wallpapers with a religious or political message should not be posted on KDE-look is the fact that KDE-look is visited by people from all over the world, which means a lot of different cultural and religious backgrounds. Some of these people may be offended by certain texts that may seem harmless to you.
Another problem is the fact that we could end up with a clash of religions as people start up their own religious wallpapers in reaction to others. Someone already tried to upload a wallpaper with a satanic message in reaction to a wallpaper of Tim. (According to your philosophy this should be no problem though) Can you see where the scenario I am sketching would lead to? If you don’t I understand. Maybe you are to busy making sure you don’t have anything to answer for the way you live your life to read my comments carefully.
As for me being offend by historical writings..that is nonsense and not at all what I am getting at. I am not offended by the bible, koran (I have read both) or any other religious texts. - Oct 30 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

Fine. I think our opinions are clear. I hope the owners of this site put up a vote so we can see whether any of these opnions is shared by other kde-look users. - Oct 30 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

I think you should read my comments again because your reply is completely beside the point. - Oct 30 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

"try thinking about why your feelings are so strong towards this"

I guess its because I live in a densely populated country (The Netherlands) where people from many different cultural and religious backgrounds have to live peacefully together......... - Oct 29 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

Hi Tim,

I understand you don't like my criticism and need to blow off some steam. That's okay. You write:

"You seem to want "Tolerance" but don't care to show it to those who don't share your views. That is an illustration of what hypocrisy is."

First of all: did you read my comment? You don't seem to get the point. Secondly: I am willing to accept any outcome of a vote, be it in agreement with my views or not. Is that hypocrisy? I get the impression that it is you who has a tollerance problem since you don't seem to be able to deal with criticism from others. - Oct 29 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

Tsk tsk….touchy. You have a point regarding other wallpapers on this site not being KDE related. Maybe KDE-look should just scrap the wallpapers section since wallpapers are by their nature not KDE specific unlike styles, window decorations etc.
As for me saying “not appropriate” I said it would be MORE appropriate to post your work on a religious site where you will find more of your intended audience.
Secondly I suggested a vote on religious art (not just Christian) using your work as example, so I did suggest a vote on certain type of paper not just your work. Maybe this got lost in the translation since English is not my first language or you just didn’t read very carefully.
As for me telling the 200+ Believers here that they really don't count, that is nonsense. I suggested a vote so the “believers” will have every opportunity to express and register their opinion. (In Europe we call this democracy)
As for ignoring your work this is sadly no longer possible since it seems to have quite a negative effect on KDE-look. You only have to look at the latest postings and discussions to see what I mean. How long will it be before we will have a clash of religions on this site? In my opinion it would be best to keep religion and politics out of KDE-look. But again, since I am not the only user I am suggesting the democratic way: a vote. - Oct 29 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

Tsk tsk….touchy. You have a point regarding other wallpapers on this site not being KDE related. Maybe KDE-look should just scrap the wallpapers section since wallpapers are by their nature not KDE specific unlike styles, window decorations etc.
As for me saying “not appropriate” I said it would be MORE appropriate to post your work on a religious site where you will find more of your intended audience.
Secondly I suggested a vote on religious art (not just Christian) using your work as example, so I did suggest a vote on certain type of paper not just your work. Maybe this got lost in the translation since English is not my first language or you just didn’t read very carefully.
As for me telling the 200+ Believers here that they really don't count, that is nonsense. I suggested a vote so the “believers” will have every opportunity to express and register their opinion. (In Europe we call this democracy)
As for ignoring your work this is sadly no longer possible since it seems to have quite a negative effect on KDE-look. You only have to look at the latest postings and discussions to see what I mean. How long will it be before we will have a clash of religions on this site? In my opinion it would be best to keep religion and politics out of KDE-look. But again, since I am not the only user of this site I am suggesting a vote. - Oct 29 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

Hi Tim,
I an earlier comment I suggested it would be more appropriate for you to post your work on a Christian website instead of KDE-look as that is where your target audience, other believers, will be found. To this you replied:

“..and there are plenty of them here...and this is, after all, an open forum.”

First of all: yes this is an open forum, but for KDE art related subjects, not religion. Of course you are free to express your religious feelings and opinions, but I think this is not the right forum to do that.
Secondly you say there are plenty of believers here that are interested in your religious art. I personally think they will only represent a small fraction of the KDE-look users. Maybe it is time for a new poll on KDE-look. Do we, the KDE-look users, want to see religious art like Tim is posting on KDE-look or do we want KDE-look to remain a neutral place where people from all different cultural and religious backgrounds can find artwork for their KDE without being confronted by religious or political propaganda? - Oct 29 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

Hi Tim. If you want to present your work to other believers wouldn't it be more appropriate to post your wallpapers on a religious site? - Oct 29 2003
Pleiades Bound, Orion Loosed

Wallpaper Other by timbrown527 90 comments

Hi Tim. I think it would be better if you posted your material on another, more appropriate website. No doubt there will be some Christian sites that would happily post your work and you would be reaching an audience that actually cares about your message. Most visitors of KDE-look won’t be interested and may even be offended since people from many different cultural and religious backgrounds use this site. In my opinion . If people want to know about Christianity they will use Google to find a Christian website. Posting it on KDE-look only causes a lot of irritation, which means your wallpaper may actually have the opposite effect you intended. No one likes a pushy salesman.

P.S.
The church has great difficulty in recognizing evolution but not with stars that have been proven to much older than our own solar system? - Oct 28 2003