Operation Iraqi Freedom Card Backs!

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Do what you want with it, I don't care. I don't claim any ownership to it in any way.

I did not -make- these. I just converted them to KDE's card format!!

Now includes hi res versions also, so you can read the names. RELAX. Have fun!

To install:
Untar this file in $KDEDIR/share/apps/carddecks/

l1nuxh4ck3r

16 years ago

If you all put as much effort into yelling about what other people are yelling at into programming and linux we'd be a lot further along
PROGRAMMING not POLITICS

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l1nuxh4ck3r

16 years ago

Please he/she (whoever) made a theme not a political statment I think its creative and harmless SO QUIT TROLLING

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SomethingWonderful

16 years ago

Funny cards.

In response to the others who are asking why so many find it so inapropriate for people to post "pro-war" (I should say "supportive of the war") materials when it is perfectly fine to post "anti-war" (I should also say "non supportive of the war") artwork/eyecandy/whatever, the reason is very simple:

Those who are not supportive of the war in Iraq are peaceful people who want good in the world and are tired of all the killing. They want nothing to do with all the bombs and death imposed upon regular civilians and are trying to change the world for the better. The net had a big vision about ten years ago, erasing so many borders. Linux played a big part in this as well, actually. We see, obviously, how "International" Linux is compared to Windows. Just think - about half or more than half the sites I see for various Linux projects etc...they're all outside of the United States. It has a lot to do with the European Union erasing borders, the rule of law and of the Rights of Man. It is a beautiful and grand vision and that is why people are so entrenched in the idea that they cannot tolerate the viewpoint which would seemingly want to destroy all of this communal utopia - be it in the form of capitalistic source code, big corporate tax breaks, the white-washing "globalization" of all cultures and markets, and the general grey and dull business suit Wall Street attitude which has done so many bad things in the past from Slave Trading to War for profit.

That's the one side.


The other side is that, generally, all of us who support this war for any reason whatsoever are Nazis.

The Left believes that we don't have a reason at all other than a bad one; any reason we give which we puport to be altruistic, or even just generally self-defensive in nature, is either:

1) Wrong.
2) Evil.
3) Misguided.
4) A lie.
5) All of the above.

No matter what you say, or do, or think, or feel - you're wrong. I'm wrong. We're all wrong if we support the war. We are so wrong that we have to be stifled because we are the ones who have caused millennia of suffering, cruelty, evil, and vile search for lucre in this world. Nothing can justify our point of view, no matter how good we percieve it to be. Nothing. The Left will not tolerate it, just as we will not tolerate people who come out and say such crude things as "Blacks are Bad" or "Jews are Bad" or "White people are the Best" or any other such absolutely stupid nonsense which everyone here - I would sincerely hope - would think is completely wrong and insane.

While the latter point may be true, it is also true that we who support this war (and even now that it is over, still support it) see this as a good thing while the Left groups us with the rest of those ugly statements and they will give us no more heed than we would give those who state those statements above.

Of course, this is absolute bunk, trash, and balderdash.

One may support war in a just cause, as has happened several times before in history. I have many reasons to support it, and do not dismiss all wars as utterly wrong in purpose or cause. To think so would be to negate so much of human history which has been good, and done for good things - directly or indirectly as the case may be.

So, anytime you visit a site online and they chastise you for supporting this war, or the next, or even to have supported it in the past, just remember: to them, you aren't really human. You're a Nazi. You're an extremist hater who just doesn't get it.

I could go in depth into how I feel about it, but I won't. Suffice it to say that I disagree, that I think that people have a right to post "pro-Iraq War/Terrorism War" things if they want to, that the Left should recognize us as Human and that we really are just at odds over certain practical and philosophically practical approaches, and that if they don't like it...they should just shut the fuck up.

Yours,

Wowbagger
wowbagger@nerra.com
http://www.nerra.com/broadsword/

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0xdeadbeef

16 years ago

So, basically you're asking that people should not criticise you for your views, yet about half a page later you tell all those who disagree with you to 'shut the fuck up', did I quote you right?

How hypocritical can you get?

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SomethingWonderful

16 years ago

1) Unfortunately for you, "shut the fuck up" is also covered in "freedom of speech". :)

2) No, I didn't really mean anything else that you implied other than: "Shut the fuck up". :) Feel free to reply all you want, but that'll still be my "freedom of speech" answer: "Shut the fuck up." :)

Sorry that you don't like it but hey! that's my freedom of expression and speech at work. Such a pity that this is offensive to you. :)

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0xdeadbeef

16 years ago

Actually, I don't have a problem with you expressing your views. View all you want, and express all you want, but then I'll view and express all I want, too.

I for one think your views are inconsistent, and I also think that consistency is a major plus in views. I guess you can work out the rest of what I think of what you wrote from there. I'd like to say, no offense meant, but that would unfortunately be untrue.

And, just by the way, I did not tell anyone to shut up, which shows that you can't generalize the way you did - 'the Left' wanting to shut 'the Right' up. There may be some left wing guys who do so, but there are right-wingers too - think about those white power weirdos, for instance. As we're not talking about them, we're also not talking about the extreme Left; maybe you should take that into account and reconsider some of the stuff you wrote.

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Chris308

16 years ago

Well said.
Isn't it ironic that these same people wouldn't hesitate to ask us to use our "evil" military to protect/liberate them?
After all, not a single European country has the military strength to protect their own country from a real threat. It must be scary for them to have to rely on "military welfare" from us. Maybe their hostility comes from this insecurity and feeling of inadequacy. Come to think of it, you could say they have a kind of "penis envy" for our large military.

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WhitePanther5000

16 years ago

Why cant anyone seem to unserstand that war is unavoidable in some cases?! We (the US) don't like war, its not like we want people to aimlessly die! But when the asshole on the other side of the war has hundreds of chemical weapons that he's not supposed to have, and we've already been attacked once, we're not going to back off! This was an act of self defense and I hate how hateful and unsupportive everyone has been. The best thing in the world would have been to be able to remove Saddam and his sons from power and destroy the weapons with no death, but thats not possible. And I wish those French assholes would stop being pansies and mind their own business if they're not going to help. God bless America, and all supporters of freedom.

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bonega

16 years ago

I shouldn't do this at kdelook..... but I cannot stand silent....

What weapons??!! You have occupied nearly the whole country and found squat( I am sure there was some weapon at a point, but nothing *really* dangerous)

If you had wanted support you should go after North Korea, they are much more of a danger. Problem is that they probably have
a small number of nuclear weapons + is in close proximity with China. Oh did I mention there is no oil there?

That Iraq would be in connection with for example Al Quiada is a completly unfounded rumor since even the cia(is that the right agency?) cannot present any evidence that is worth discussing.

Even if there is chemical weapon, is it a big deal?
History has shown us that people can be
killed quite easy with guns....

By the way, Afghanistan was liberated...
what is the status of that country now?

I do really support the toppling of Saddams regime, but it should not have happend this way.
You should hand over the control to the UN now.

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metrol

16 years ago

"What weapons??!! You have occupied nearly the whole country and found squat"

It took over 2000 inspectors more than 6 years to find anything, and only after informants came forward. It's just been slightly over 3 weeks, the bulk of which has seen heavy combat. Apparently the US military has been a wee bit occupied with little things like being shot at.

"If you had wanted support you should go after North Korea"

We are, in a similar fashion as we attempted to deal with Iraq, diplomatically. At this point we know that at least China is heavily involved with bringing a peaceful resolution there. Colin Powell has made quite clear that every possible diplomatic means will be utilized, which oddly enough includes not letting their saber rattling unnerve us.

"they are much more of a danger"

The primary concern of the US at this time is who is most likely to supply terrorist groups, which include Al Queda, with the means for mass murder in both the US and in Europe. Of the possible suppliers, Iraq hit the top of the list. Unlike N. Korea, they have put these chemical weapons to use on both the Iranians and people within Iraq itself. Their prior involvement with terrorist groups also makes them a prime candidate for far greater damage to the rest of the world.

"Oh did I mention there is no oil there?"

So far as the US is concerned, there's no oil in Iraq either. We've never purchased more than token amounts from them. If you're looking for their biggest customer, try looking to see where France has been getting dirt cheap oil during these failed sanctions. If I were Chriac, I'd never want those sanctions to end either!

If the United States wished to invade a nation to take their oil, we'd have sent troops to Venezuela years ago. As much as folks would like the world to be as simple as "war for oil", it just isn't the case.

"That Iraq would be in connection with for example Al Quiada is a completly unfounded rumor"

A live base of operations, and troops on the ground fighting alongside them is a bit more than rumor.

"Even if there is chemical weapon, is it a big deal?"

It's a huge deal. Militarily speaking, chemical weapons don't really amount to much. The US military is pretty well equipped to deal with attacks of this nature. It's the civilian population in those nations which these extremists have focused their anger upon that are under the greatest threat.

These weapons a relatively easy to transport, difficult to detect, and can provide 6 to 7 figures worth of civilian casualties if deployed correctly. A rather small group of terrorists could inflict more damage then an armed military force by utilizing these weapons.

"By the way, Afghanistan was liberated... what is the status of that country now?"

Free of the Taliban thugs that strong armed their way to power there. Slowly working to rebuild what decades of war has inflicted upon their people and the infrastructure they live in. The US, and other nations, are still in there to help support this effort so they too can join the community of nations as peaceful neighbors.

That's not to say there aren't serious issues to deal with there, or that everything is going smoothly. There are entire generations of people in that nation who have known nothing but war and hardships for the entirety of their lives.

For the US, it's one less safe haven for those who wish us harm to hide. It's also yet another nation added to the growing list that owe their freedom and liberty to the price the US has paid in blood to give them.

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bonega

16 years ago

"Apparently the US military has been a wee bit occupied with little things like being shot at."

Yep, that is a good argument(really, I am not being sarcastic)
But since there should be some problems hiding the manafacturing plants and it is probably quite important for pr reason to find them.( I belive some will be found, but nothing extensive)

About North Korea, it seems that there was much less diplomacy involved in the Iraq affair. You tolerate about everything from N.Korea. They do not even accept weapon inspectors and make threats now and then.

"So far as the US is concerned, there's no oil in Iraq either. We've never purchased more than token amounts from them."

No, but you have a steadily increasing oil consumption that mostly will have to come from foreign sources.
There hasn't been really any oil sales from Iraq the last decade.
(Only the UN food for iol program)

"If you're looking for their biggest customer, try looking to see where France has been getting dirt cheap oil during these failed sanctions. If I were Chriac, I'd never want those sanctions to end either!"

Good argument, France do this mostly for their own gain. But that do not make me think they are wrong.

"If the United States wished to invade a nation to take their oil, we'd have sent troops to Venezuela years ago."

Then you would have to make up some reasons to do that. Awful lot of work on the pr people.
I am quite sure your goverment really would like to exchange the Chavez regime
for something.... more suiting.
Word is that there were some US involvement in the recent coup against him.(apparently several people involved in the coup happened to be at the US embassy at the time), this I have no source for, so ignore it :)

well Chavez isn't the really the best president a country can have but..


"As much as folks would like the world to be as simple as "war for oil", it just isn't the case."

No, you are quite right.
There is more reasons for the war, but I do not think it would have happened if there wasn't any oil in the mideast.

"A live base of operations, and troops on the ground fighting alongside them is a bit more than rumor."

Is it really? Sources?
I have not seen anything like that in media. CNN said that there was report of Al quaida personal on the ground, but nothing more was said after that - rumor.

And it is not that every country know what goes on everywhere on its soil.
Lets not forget that Iraq Is not really a rich country at the moment.

"These weapons a relatively easy to transport, difficult to detect, and can provide 6 to 7 figures worth of civilian casualties if deployed correctly"

6 to 7 figures??!
We are talking 100.000 to x.000.000?
Excuse me, but you are crazy....
Maybe if you stuffed the whole of new yorks population in the subway and used a nerve gas....

"Free of the Taliban thugs that strong armed their way to power there. Slowly working to rebuild what decades of war has inflicted upon their people and the infrastructure they live in.

Maybe free from Talibans, but not thugs.... President Karhzai only controls what he can se(Kabul) the rest is at the hand of warlords.
The drug production has started up again and the US presence is to small.
By the way.... thanks for helping the muhajedin to power in afghanistan

"The US, and other nations, are still in there to help support this effort so they too can join the community of nations as peaceful neighbors."

Join the community with Iran, Pakistan and China?
True that they haven't been that aggresive lately but...

"It's also yet another nation added to the growing list that owe their freedom and liberty to the price the US has paid in blood to give them."

Not that many on the list..
I give you South Korea and maybe Afghanistan.(+ the ones I forgot which I am sure you will remind me of :)
But lets not forget that it is often the civil population that has paid the highest price.

I wonder what crazy things I have written, I easily go on rants.

Take no offence, I only enjoy discussing.
Hope you do this for fun to.

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metrol

16 years ago

First off, thank you for a well reasoned and thoughtful reply. I had given up on seeing one anywhere on the net concerning this topic. I still think you're wrong though :)

On the point concerning your request for links about Al Quaeda's involvement in Iraq, I've only managed one story talked about today.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/abs_news_flash_article.asp?FlashOID=7603

The initial report on the bases in operation was given by Colin Powell in his address to the UN Security Council which C-Span covered. A number of other reports earlier on in the war stated that Al Quaeda members were involved with the fighting in southern Iraq. I believe I picked that up from radio news reports. During the conflict I've been tracking too many sources!

Rather than go point for point, I'll close this reply on the notion of North Korea. First off, Iraq didn't allow weapons inspectors in either until they were under the direct threat of military force. This point seems to get lost on those that think the UN managed this without serious US intervention.

Iraq hit the top of the list due to a number of factors, one of which is oil I will grant you. Not Iraqi oil, but the Saudi crude which we do purchase. We buy the Saudi oil due to it's quality rather than for political reasons. It's referred to as "sweet crude" due to it's relatively clean burn with a minimum of processing. Both the conflict in 91 and the one we're seeing now are a result of our defending Saudi, not Kuwait or just to attack Iraq.

Following 91, with Saddam still in place we were not comfortable with leaving Saudi undefended from invasion. This leaves US troops stationed in the Islamic holy land. We know this is a major irritant to Arabs, and Al Queada in particular. As annoying as this situation is for both the US and the Arabs, so long as Saddam remained in power we couldn't change it.

Furthermore, the US has a legal pretext to military action in that area due to a variety of UN resolutions, the last of which of course being 1441. No such pretext exists with the situation brewing in North Korea, nor is their the direct connection to middle esatern bred violence coming our way.

North Korea also differs in the nature of their immediate neighbors. South Korea, Japan, and even China have a great deal of concern over what is going on there, and have far more sway with them. If a peaceful solution is possible (and I do believe it is) the best chance is to have those folks lead the way and have the US play a supporting role only. This is the game plan that Colin Powell laid out before a Senate hearing shortly after his first UN presentation, and it would appear to be working thus far.

I do believe you're too quick to discount the diplomatic efforts that eventually led to military force being used in Iraq. It was the US that brought this to the UN. President Bush even went so far as to show up himself to go through the UN in looking for a peaceful solution. At each and every turn of events, Iraq had a reasonable means for preventing conflict. At each opportunity they neglected to take the mulititude of "last chances" offered up.

And with that being stated, thank you again for an interesting reply that rises well above the knee jerk reactions of those that prompted me to reply to this politically charged discussion in the first place.

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bonega

16 years ago

Thanks.

I have to say the same about you.
It is really nice to have a meaningful discussion on this subject( many arguments for this or that on the internet can be pretty dumb...counting my own :)

I may not agree with you either, but I will buy you a beer if I visit the US or if you visit Sweden.

Well here comes some more points.
There isn't really much thought behind them( I am recovering after a night with a tad much wine... :)

"On the point concerning your request for links about Al Quaeda's involvement in Iraq, I've only managed one story talked about today.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/abs_news_flash_article.asp?FlashOID=7603"

Well, the information is quite sparse and a bit fussy - "U.S.: *Possible* al-Qaeda base destroyed in Iraq"

But yeah, it can absolutely be true.
Though it do not have to absolutely condemn the Iraq regime - see my old point of no knowledge
(Rest assured that Saddams regime is quite bad though)

"Following 91, with Saddam still in place we were not comfortable with leaving Saudi undefended from invasion."

Iraq military have only weakened the last decade so the threat should have decreased.

But you are right that you do not really want your troops in Saudi, it poses quite a problem with your muslim relations.
Quite a good point after all.

North Korea - Yeah... I am also quite confident that this will be resolved diplomaticaly.
It just seems wrong that N.Korea is allowed to go unchecked when they are worse than Iraq on most of the points discussed.

"At each and every turn of events, Iraq had a reasonable means for preventing conflict. At each opportunity they neglected to take the mulititude of "last chances" offered up."

Let the weapon inspectors into the country again - Check

Started dismantling the missiles that was over the permited range - Check

Let spy planes fly over their territory
- Check

According to Hans Blix showing a "increased willingness to cooperation"
- Check

Make Saddam leave his post - EEEk

We shouldn't really have expected this one...

Thanks for giving your view on the situation, one can only become a better person by seeing more of the whole picture

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skal

16 years ago

n/t

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staikos

16 years ago

I updated the packages to version 2.0. To avoid more problems with those immature fools who cannot deal with life or any issues that they may or may not agree with, I will not repost this as a new entry. I just updated the information in the page, and the binary on the server.

version 2.0 includes high res versions. You can select low res (fast), medium res (medium-fast) or high res (slow as hell, but you can read their names). I also repaired the license file.

If you don't like it, don't use it! Come on already! Go elsewhere!

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iPaqTux

16 years ago

It's unfortunate that you would be offended at these cards. They are not even a political message. It was mostly done as a gag, it seems.

Let's not be too uptight, here. IMO it would be inappropriate for this site if someone had put an anti-Saddam Hussein wallpaper, etc. but the cards are nothing more than that, a card theme. In fact, I can easily see Saddam himself using the real cards, in the same way that some people like to play with cards of nude images (i.e. because he likes them).

They carry no message other than to demonstrate the U.S. government's view of what it believes the Saddam regime was structured like.

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rootnuke

16 years ago

...and I don't even play cards.

The art "blade" cuts both ways.

WTG

:-)

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secretmethod70

16 years ago

OK, you disagree with the premise of these cards? Fine. But don't criticise them being posted here...of course, I don't feel like searching through the comments of the following threads to find out how many of you supported someone else's right to post when their views happened to agree with you:

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5173

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4965

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4964

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4954

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4945

And then, among those FIVE submissions presenting one view, here is ONE presenting the other.

Would it e nice to not have any of these? Sure. Is that going to happen? No. There is a section for wallpapers and people put political comments in their wallpapers. This is a theme for a KDE app. Or do we want to start censoring art now? At least be consistant - if you're going to vote against one for being a political statement, vote against them all - even when you agree with them.

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Brandybuck

16 years ago

I try to keep out of political discussion on kde-look, but I have to agree with the preceeding post. Why is it perfectly fine to post themes criticizing US policy, but considered off topic to post themes supporting it? Why the double standard? Is it because the former are wallpapers and the latter are playing cards?

If you disagree with the theme's sentiment, then come right out and say so. But don't post a "I agree" comment on a anti-war theme, then turn around and post a "not KDE related" comment here. Show some consistency.

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Doches

16 years ago

And most people usually say "hey, not here, ok?" to those submissions. I mean, it's cool that you love your (our - yours and mine) country, but keep it to yourself, k? this is an *international* community, nyet? so being american is *not* a thing to brag about. just makes you a g-d nazi. or a-d. wtvr.

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netbear

16 years ago

I'm glad you belived that I'm from america. I didn't thought I wrote that good english but any way.

This discussion isn't about America or not America. And as you say this is an international page, and I guess that I have just the same right to express my opinion as you have to express yours.

I think it's OK to post cardbacks at this page you do not need to download them if you not like them. But to vote them down just becaus of the political aspect at this page which should not be political is strang but I understad that there are alot of communists at this page that not so strange but I didn't knew you suported the dictatorship of iraq.

/Björn

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Chris308

16 years ago

Let me get this straight. If one loves their country, is proud of it and God forbid even brags of it, this makes them a g*d Nazi? You surely must be one of those confused and brain washed kids on a college campus. Please reenter this conversation once you get out of your liberal bubble and learn to think for yourself.

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Doches

16 years ago

I'm actually in high school, if you must know, but i'm not brainwashed, and i don't hate my country. I do hate the way it has been acting, lately, in the international community. Historically, the U.S. has come out of it's traditional isolationism only to defend those parts of the free world that have been threatened. Now, we are the aggressors, patrolling the globe for governments and cultures that meet with our disapproval. And don't say it's a war for democracy -- not when our most important allies in the middle east are Saudi Arabia and Israel. Sure, Israel's a democracy, but it's a democracy in which native Palestinians have no civil rights, and no fair representation. I'm not a liberal; actually, you could even label me a conservationist -- all i want is a return to the way we used to do things.

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Chris308

16 years ago

This explains a lot. You may be simply too young to fully understand the scope of our situation. America has often been an isolationist. For example, it took Japan bombing Pearl Harbor before we entered into WWII. Currently, it took the death of over 3,000 Americans by terrorists before we woke up to the new dangers of the 21st century. You are absolutely correct, this is not just about saving the Iraqi people and assisting them towards democracy. It is also about removing those that have WMD and sponser or provide safe havens for terrorists. This is an undisputed fact.
If you watch only CNN this may come as a surprise to you. Remember, CNN just admitted that they have been omitting and lying about Saddam's regime for the last 12 years! Please analyze what you hear from your liberal teachers carefully. Their positions can not be validated with facts, only with untruths and slanted statements.
Ask yourself:
1) Why do they blame America first?

2) Can they give the name of a country that has accomplish more or has assisted the oppressed people of the world more?

3) Can they name a nation that has been more powerful, but has used its power so seldomly?

4) If America has imperialist intentions, why do we not take the spoils of war? (remember 1991?, we gave Kuwait their oil fields back)

5) Do they have views consistent with Karl Marx or the US consitution?

6) Ask them outright if they personally feel that socialism or dictatorships are preferable to capitalism. If so, why do they not move to Canada, France or Syria?

Finally, ask yourself if there are absolutes in this world. Are there rights and wrongs or is everything relative? If you choose the former, then you have a basis of morality that will guide you in the future. If you choose the latter, then you will go through life sitting on a fence never knowing what path or decision to make. Remember, there are those in this world that feel that it is perfectly normal or right to kill, rape, torture, or commit incest etc.

Sorry for the rant, but I too was trapped in a high school & college that gave a very slanted view on America. I actually made one of my teachers cry when I questioned her one day to provide documentation to back one of her assertions and she couldn't.

p.s Take a college course on statistics. It will help you understand how both sides on a position can use the same statistics to back their positions.


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archiesteel

16 years ago

"Finally, ask yourself if there are absolutes in this world. Are there rights and wrongs or is everything relative?"

There are no absolutes from a moral standpoint. There are acts that cause suffering, and acts that relieve suffering. There are acts that have positive consequences, and acts that have negative consequences.

It is possible to do evil things with good intentions. It is also possible to do good things with evil intentions. In my view, the U.S. invasion of Iraq is an act motivated mostly by strategic reasons, concerned with power and influence in a region that is key to hold the upper-hand in an energy-starved world. Its motives are not altruistic, but aim at preserving american supremacy over the rest of the world. However, the fact that Saddam has been deposed is a positive outcome, since he was without a doubt a brutal man. Yet one should also remember that those now in power supported this brutal man when it was convenient for them, even after he had gassed his own people...and that they still now support others who abuse human rights. Nothing is black or white in international politics. To believe otherwise is to delude oneself.

"Remember, there are those in this world that feel that it is perfectly normal or right to kill, rape, torture, or commit incest etc."

The U.S. has capital punishment. U.S. allies (and even the U.S. itself) use some form of torture in interrogating terror suspects. Do you denounce the U.S. as "evil" because of this?

Rape is an inexcusable act of agression, I'll give you that, but incest is primarily a social taboo and, though indicative of - in my view - serious psychological troubles, it is not inherently "evil."

Be careful of absolutes, they are mental short-cuts that can sometimes become embroiled in paradoxes. Following a moral path made of absolutes is dangerous. It is better simply to refrain from comitting acts that cause suffering in others, to treat others as they would treat us in other words.

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