Kmenu-Improved

Various KDE 1.-4. Improvements

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Just a mockup. I believe the current Kmenu needs a facelift. I'm no longer a NEW linux/kde user...but my first impression was that the kmenu was kind of..boring...ugly I'm use to it's look, but still, I think that it needs change. I didn't try to emulate or copy the windows xp start menu...not at all. I simply put my vision onto the screen and into a picture. I know many people may have a problem with a menu such as this...mainly because windows has a menu that may look SIMILAR...but come on people...SOME things windows has is nicer than linux (IMO hiding systray icons). As stated above..this is my vision, only screenshots. I really think that the kmenu needs a new..modern look, and this is what I came up with.

Feel free to comment, thanks.

trollp

15 years ago

windows? windows? why another windows?!?

sorry - maybe I'm tierd... it late at my timezone, but pls explain to me : why do people love windows theme?!? I remeber times of kde 2.x ... great themes! innovate ones!

and now?! plastik, windows, baghira.... it sucks!

Regards,
Przemek

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masonmouse

15 years ago

While Windows may have some admittedly nice interface touches, honestly, I think the systray icon hiding and the huge, bloated start menu are two of the negative additions to XP. They both allow things to get lost easier. KDE definitely has the advantage there.

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smileaf

15 years ago

Only difference I see are the text and the little bubble looking things connecting the menu's to the parent.

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soulrebel

15 years ago

if you dont like the kmenu, then why do you use it? you can do without!
i just made a menu myself that includes only my 6 (most) used kde-apps(juk, kontact, konqueror, kcontrol, konsole, kpackage) that apperas on leftclicking somewhere on the desktop area and for everything else there is the programstarter applet of kicker, that gives you superfast access to all apps!

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yawd

15 years ago

Like there are different window-themes there also could be some kind of menu-themes. So users have the choice which way they want to look their menus.

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endosquid

15 years ago

elegant. Makes converting Windows users even easier, which is good.

As long as you can have an option to switch it back, I think it's great.

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kwr2k

15 years ago

Lots of posts here on kde-apps and kde-look try to find ways of improving KDE menu -- among other things :-) but most of the ideas are inspired by Windows. Now admittedly, we've got *used* to the Windows interface but its not perfect and in fact it lacks some very common sense things.

I feel the KDE menu has its own strengths and one should build on that rather than clone XP.

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roachofdiscord

15 years ago

Hey thanks for the comment.

I agree...a windows clone is not the answer..and maybe my menu isn't very good but I'd still like to see some kmenu improvements in the future. I still think it's boring :P. Other than that, kde is great.

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jharper

15 years ago

So basically you want the Windows XP start menu for KDE?

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roachofdiscord

15 years ago

uh no..lol. I just want something..nicer is all.

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roachofdiscord

15 years ago

What if I WANT several apps docked in my panel..but they take up too much room? What if I don't want to SEE them all at once..but still want them there for easy access? That way I can still have them..but can hide them...and SAVE room. I'm sorry, but it IS useful and it's user friendly.

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Sudonix

15 years ago

Once you put a button to show/hide them, it's no longer the same "easy access", besides now you also have to decide which apps are going to be shown, and which hidden. And if some of them you use so rarely that you know for sure you want them to stay hidden, it's no different than adding an extra shortcut to the panel. If you have no room there, well, then you should consider using something like drawers/daughter panels(two clicks, again).

I don't remember very well how this feature works in WinXP, but I assume you need to either provide an extra option when right-clicking the icon, or it hides "unused " ones automatically, and neither of those will work well for KDE. If you have a sort of two-panel settings module where you can drag icons between the "hidden" and "shown", then, I suppose, it could work and be made into KDE, but IMHO that's making grossly complex a rather simple concept. The user can just put the tray onto a different panel and autohide it or something if (s)he's willing to go into that much trouble.

The reason why it seems so useful in winxp is simply because there's a huge number of fairly useful apps (e.g. more advanced firewalls/antivirii/etc.) which do not have an option to hide their icon. I've never experienced such problem in Linux(not just KDE), so I see this quite a useless feature (and something as simple as this would probably have been added quite a while ago if it was really needed).

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roachofdiscord

15 years ago

I get what you're saying..but for me, allot of apps I use have traydocks..and I do want them there, just not always showing. Azureus for example..and klipper. I also use gaim and amsn which have icons that I want...and I use amarok for media playing..which i do allot of..and that has a sys tray icon. I only like about 3 or 4 icons showing..the rest can be hidden and i can simply use them when needed with a single click of the un hide arrow.

I myself find it useful, but it's all personal preference.

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stodge

15 years ago

This looks just like WinXP - this isn't an improvement. This would be a detriment to KDE.

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Sudonix

15 years ago

> SOME things windows has is nicer than linux (IMO hiding systray icons).

Btw, this I totally disagree with. If an app that has a dock/tray icon needs to have it hidden, it's a flaw in the app. If I have something in my dock, it means I want to have dynamic content in that place, and obviously either look at it or ocassionally click (once, not twice, that's what the "front" of the panel is for) to see what it's doing. If you need the OS/DE/whatever to hide it from you, and your app doesn't allow to turn it off, it's almost certainly a design mistake in the app, and needs to be addressed there.

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roachofdiscord

15 years ago

I don't see how a menu like this is not functional? On the left..their are just basically quick links to apps...for easy and quick access. You would be able to change them to whatever you want...the right part is the actual menu..which obviously belongs there. Top..most used apps..oh noes we have that already...and an integrated run command for fast access. I can see maybe you don't like the design, but it would definitely be functional.

Personally, I like kde's overall gui way better than windows, but I still say that the windows menu is by far better. It works fine..minus the slowness of windows and how long and sluggish it takes to open *which I doubt that would in happen in kde*. Also..the kde menu is bland..I see nothing wrong with enchanting it with some graphics and making it look nice.. I'm not exactly sure what the problem is with this, unless you people are so scared that something on linux may one day resemble windows. If you keep acting as if windows has copywritten niceness, linux nor kde will ever move forward. It will stand still or go backwards.

What if this menu was one column..then what? Would this be more appealing?

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Sudonix

15 years ago

Indeed it would be. Besides, this just doesn't look pleasing to me :) I'm very bad at pointing out artistic mistakes, so I won't try to comment on that.

I think the problem with a 2 column menu is that it isn't immediately apparent where to look for a particular app/action. Since people tend to read left-to-right, top to bottom (okay, just for the sake of this case; reverse everything if you prefer), they'll first look at the left column, and most of the time they'll be looking for a shortcut to an app - which is provided by the right column(unless it happens to be there at the very top, in which case they won't even get this far); reason for confusion #1. Second, there's no clear separation between the two, and the icons don't stand out well; reason for confusion #2. (we're talking a time period of 1-2 seconds here, of course)

In a "vertical" menu, this will happen top to bottom, and in a much more logical order: most/last used apps(depends on the settings), probably used most of the time -> separator(visual signal) -> main app shortcuts, used not as frequently -> separator -> actions, used even less frequently, with the exception of lock/logout which goes on bottom(top taken already), where it can easily be found, or on the panel. Makes perfect sense to me, and I don't see a problem here that would be fixed by putting the bottom part side-by-side with the top.

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lokheed

15 years ago

I think I am the only one that likes the KDE Menu the way it is. Actually if the headers (All Applications, Actions, etc.) were able to be hidden, it would be perfect. Adding your own seperators would be really nice too.

I like simple, minimalist, and clean. This "improvement" is horrendous. Its poorly done, poorly executed and the fact that it rips off the Microsoft one almost to a tee is also dissheartening.

I looks like a mess. I hate the MS menu and think they completely fumbled on it and made it anything but usable. To try and copy it (poorly I mgiht add) is just plain wrong.

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blaster999

15 years ago

I agree. Did you notice the amount of winblows-inspired "improvements" to kde proposed here? This is scary...

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scream

15 years ago

You should take a look at the menu of slicker:

http://www.slicker.org/setup/modules/gallery/fop/images/menu.jpg

THAT's the way how KDE4 should be designed.
www.slicker.org

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nightwriter

15 years ago

Yes but given what I've seen one is about as likely to produce code as the other. ...

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scream

15 years ago

Sorry for double-posting - maybe someone can delete this post or tell me how to do it myself :(.

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roachofdiscord

15 years ago

Is that the actual menu or a mockup? Looks nice though

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scream

15 years ago

You should take a look at the menu of slicker:

http://www.slicker.org/setup/modules/gallery/fop/images/menu.jpg

THAT's the way how KDE4 should be designed.
www.slicker.org

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BAD85

15 years ago

That looks great! I would welcome such a k-menu, since i liked it years ago under windows xp as well!

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