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For other evangelical Christians...a great improvement over the original.

"Believe on" is accurate...from the KJV...which was chosen over other translations due to the faithfulness to the original idea; that of trusting, not just intellectual ascent.

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15 years ago

Replaced "glowing steel" effect with regular drop shadow.

Added second paper.

gvs

15 years ago

I am also a person, so am I eternal?
You are making up rules, matter can't be eternal, a person can, who says?
There is no evidence to support the theory of a god but the fact that some people just think he is there.
But people see Elvis every day too, there are even people who think caesar still lives, and they also offer no proof.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

*you may not use the absence of any evidence that it is there as proof that it doesn't exist*

I believe there is ample evidence from which to draw a conclusion. And, I think it makes far more sense to assume that things we see around us were made...we certainly live our daily routine lives that way, don't we?

Yet even if we assume "no evidence" for God, your statement tells me that you cannot make an assumption that GOd doesn't exist.

Oh, excuse me, a jeep just popped into existence in my driveway...!

Matter doesn't create itself from nothing. Matter is not eternal. God, as a Person, can certainly be eternal. Things have a cause and there must ultimately be an *uncaused cause*.

Again, we don't live that way.

Tim

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Great! At least I got you to see the silliness of assuming there is no God!

Tim

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Soyburg

15 years ago

1.) I prefer knowledge over belief.

2.) I do not like to be preached upon. As you do. Most discussions in here are about artistic merit. Most discussions in your posts are about religion. So I get the impression that this is the main reason for your posts. To have missionary discussions in here. I just think it is not the right place for this.

3.) Please don't sell the bible as hard facts. Do you have any proof for the walking-on-water bit?

4.) As with all myth there are some historical facts in the bible, sure. Buddha who lived 500 years before Jesus was a historical person as well. Wasn't he. But although his teachings were rather a help to me and my life, I am not here to convince anybody else that they might be to him or her, or that they are scientifically accurate. And I would be really turned off, if all the Muslims and the Jews and the Catholics and the Zoroastrians and the Satanists and the Freemasons in here would start putting up stuff for their cause. This is not a site to mission people into your belief. It is about art.

5.) Fools talk - wise men listen. Which makes me a fool. But think about it.

6.) I studied geology and majored in hydrogeology. And whatever you may think about "job's hydrology" - it ain't scientifically accurate. Hell no. No it ain't.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

1.) I prefer knowledge over belief.

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So Do I. That's why I came to the conclusion I did. Evidence. By the way, you didn't answer my questions about evolution. You merely returned with questions! Show me the hard science with good hard answers! If there is knowlege there, put it on display! For example, where is the fossil for what is drawn as the "Darwin Fish"? It sure looks convincing! If a cell can't live without all it's parts, who could it have evolved? Before a "kind" developed blood clotting how could it even live to evolve?
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2.) I do not like to be preached upon. As you do. Most discussions in here are about artistic merit. Most discussions in your posts are about religion. So I get the impression that this is the main reason for your posts.

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what people post in this thread is their responsibility. I only respond to what I receive. Is your post about artistic merit? Fair enough?
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3.) Please don't sell the bible as hard facts. Do you have any proof for the walking-on-water bit?

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I have solid evidence for the credibility of the Word of God. Again, the core of Christianity is the ressurrection. We know Christ lived. We know He died on a cross. Numerous reports from that day (or close to that day) testify the tomb was empty. Yet, from all we know about crucifixion and how the tomb was guarded, the tomb was suddenly empty. So, prove that Christianity is a hoax by dealing with this...!
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4.) As with all myth...

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So what's mythical about the scriptures? They used to say Solomon and David were mythical, THEN the archaeologists proved the skeptics wrong. I don't need a skeptic's 'approval' to accept the evidence I have. You know, for some people, there is no such thing as *enough* evidence.
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6.) I studied geology and majored in hydrogeology. And whatever you may think about "job's hydrology" - it ain't scientifically accurate. Hell no. No it ain't.

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Well, I had a wonderful (evolutionist) geology professor who had a doctorate in Geology. He made sure I understoond it. I aced his course. I beg to differ. I think the problem is that it's not couched in *precisely* the *right* terms. How did Job know that 'water goes up and is stored in clouds" 4000 years ago? Please, tell me.
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Thanks for helping my understanding,

Tim

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leinir

15 years ago

Exactly the same way as Christians take non-Christian propaganda (as you might call it):
With anger (never got anyone anywhere worth going)
By ignoring it
Tollerance (the one that has seemed to work best, i.e. nobody gets hurt)

And, that said, I have to say the same as Tim himself noticed: Art is in the eye of the beholder. The technical quality is what can, and in this forum should, be discussed. This is technically ok, nothing out of the ordinary, but definately far better than many things seen here.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Thanks... I knew I had to do something other than what is becoming a "Blue Gradient with a blue bar" syndrome.

The cross is a picture of one made of pewter which is not in perfect shape anyway. Then add the problem of enlarging it. I'm sure that eventually I'll improve on it.

Regarding things I don't like on KDE-LOOK, I just move along and ignore them.

Thanks,
Tim

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aergern

15 years ago

If your going to make a wallpaper ..whatever it says or shows.. at least make it with some artistic ability. This wallpaper is a bad cut and paste job with horrid fonts. Do something worthy of the person who downloads it and looks at it for hours on end while at their computer.

If not then this is just preaching.

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servoj98

15 years ago

and don't forget jesus's brothers and sisters (you actually beleve that after jesus joseph and mary didn't get down to more serious humping?)

stop with the religious stuff, make wallpapers about things that don't cause 80% of the worlds problems

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shadowx8m

15 years ago

I totally agree, stop with all the moronic, brainwashed, christian stuff. You might be able to develope talent if you weren't so busy praying to something that's not there.

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lazychris2000

15 years ago

80% of the world's problems.....i dont follow...whered u get that number, and what did u base it on?

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gvs

15 years ago

He does have a point, think 9/11, think crusades, think inquisition...
Religious people seem to have this weird preoccupation with killing all those who have a different religion, or worse for them, no religion at all.
This still goes on today, president Bush once stated that he did not consider atheists to be citizens, he did not think they had any rights.

OK, I'm not saying that all religious people want to kill of the rest of the world, but it does make you think, doesn't it...

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timbrown527

15 years ago

The real problem is lumping all religions together. The term "Christianity" has come to mean just about anyone who isn't muslim, jewish, etc. Americans are lumped together as "Christians".

TRUE Christianity is not an institution. It's not a church. It's a relationship with the risen Christ...and Jesus didn't teach that we should go around killing others...but rather to "love our enemies"...in other words, be willing to meet their needs as if they were our own and die for them if need be, just as Christ did for us.

I have no desire to kill anyone, and the apostle John said in 1 John that "no murder has eternal life". Remember the guy who killed the abortion doctor and was unrepentant all the way to his execution? The bible says his claim to be a Christian is false.

Maybe this will clarify things. Maybe not.

Thanks for your input,

Tim

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timbrown527

15 years ago

...I don't know why, but you are assuming I'm Catholic. The scriptures teach that Joseph "...kept her a virgin UNTIL..." the birth of Christ. And that is what I believe.

Thanks in any case,

Tim

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servoj98

15 years ago

actually i'm assuming your just some other religious dumb person, anyone with any smarts would realise god can't exist, even if he did he's dead now (imortality real, ha all living things die, and there is no imortaility)

anyway you go be mentally ill and talk to some guy who don't exist (calling nearest mental hostpital for you)

and stop posting religious crap on the boards. or i'll start posting pictures of jesus on the T shape wooden thing (no it was not a cross) getting raped by necrophiliacs.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

"No God"? How did you arrive at this "fact"? Do you believe everything popped into existence out of nothing on its own? On what do you base this belief? Takes greater faith than I have to believe this way!

When you need something, do you wait for it to appear on it's own accord?...or do you go to someone who got it from someone who *Made It*?

More importantly, if you have no hard evidence for what you believe, why do you believe it? Justify your lifestyle? Sounds like your "religion" to me...

Tim

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gvs

15 years ago

Please do not try that argument on anyone, the church tried that on me when I was 12.
If the Universe can't either have appeared out of thin air (or something else as yet unknown) or have existed forever, then where would this god thing have come from?

If an infinite complex universe supposes an intelligent creator, wouldn't that infinite complex creater have to be created itself?

The argument just plain and simply loops, it is logically inconsistent.

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uninet

15 years ago

If the Universe can't either have appeared out of thin air (or something else as yet unknown) or have existed forever, then where would this god thing have come from?

Well, look at it this way. The physical universe is governed by a set of laws. These laws make up what we consider reality. Ex nihilo creation, like the Big Bang, is impossible within our reality.

So, if it is impossible within the context of the physical universe for something to come out of nothingness, we must move away from the "scientific" no matter whether we attempt to come up with a "scientific sounding" answer of a theological answer.

At least the theological answer can come up with a rational concept: that God is not part of His creation, so he is outside the contrants of what we consider reality (that is the space/time continuum that we live in). God created space and time and so He is not governed by its laws.

Since we can only understand that which happens within the context of our reality, God's eternal existence is hard to get our minds around. However, at least it makes sense -- a supernatural being shouldn't necessarily be limited by what we understand.

On the other hand, matter should always be in the realm of scientific logic, and so how can matter do something supernatural like come out of nowhere without supernatural "help"?

The other option is to decide that existance is absurd and sit around until you can convince yourself that you don't exist... but that is not an easy job! :-)

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timbrown527

15 years ago

God is a Person, and is an eternal being.

Does space have an end? Is there a brick there that says "the end"? What's past the brick?

We could ask these types of questions all day long.

All I know is that things don't just pop into existence ex nihilo. It'd be NICE but I don't expect it. I could use a new car. Perhaps if I clean my garage out and wait 10 or 20 years, a new chevy will show up from nowhere.

See, we don't live that way because it is absurd!

Thanks,

Tim

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timbrown527

15 years ago

AriesTheImpaler (what a nic!)

Personhood = Mind, emotion and will. Man is uniquely created in God's image with these attributes. God is spirit, we are physical but we both have these three things...this is what was meant by the "image of God". Nothing physical.

You are misrepresenting what I said about false claims of others to be believers. I was talking about unrepentant sin patterns in a life, not flawlessly teaching true biblical doctrine. As flawed human beings, we're going to mess something up. HOwever, the Bible DOES teach that a real believer won't be unrepentant about known sin, such as the guy who killed the abortion doctor.

Thanks anyway,
Tim

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uninet

15 years ago

Not to argue or anything, but person is used in the context of describing God. Here, let's consider the dictionary:

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913):
3. A living, self-conscious being, as distinct from an animal or a thing; a moral agent; a human being; a man, woman, or child.

The emphasis is mine.

It continues later on:
6. (Theol.) Among Trinitarians, one of the three subdivisions of the Godhead (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost); an hypostasis. ``Three persons and one God.'' --Bk. of Com. Prayer.

Again, emphasis is mine.

The God of the Bible is a personal God, that is, He is not just a cosmic force. If something is personal, it is "Of or pertaining to a particular person" (Webster's).

-Tim

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AresTheImpaler

15 years ago

Actually God can be a person and a spiritual being. People often misunderstand the term "person." Person != human being. Person is someone with a will, an ego.

I could say "God is an ego," but then you would think I was saying God is egotistical, which I'm not. The problem is most of these words have both a scholarly and common usage meaning, but in this case we need to use the scholarly meaning.

-Tim B.

Sorry, but you are wrong. God is not a person. You might say that humans are created in his images:So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27
But God is not a person. He indeed became a person when He came to earth as Jesus Christ.
By the way, person is defined as a human or an individual, not as you were implying. don't believe me, get a dicctionary and look for meaning yourself.

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uninet

15 years ago

God is not a person. He is a spiritual being. Get your facts straights.

Actually God can be a person and a spiritual being. People often misunderstand the term "person." Person != human being. Person is someone with a will, an ego.

I could say "God is an ego," but then you would think I was saying God is egotistical, which I'm not. The problem is most of these words have both a scholarly and common usage meaning, but in this case we need to use the scholarly meaning.

-Tim B.

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AresTheImpaler

15 years ago

God is not a person. He is a spiritual being. Get your facts straights.

You were saying that it is very unfortunate that there are many persons that call themselves Christians when they are not. You also said that they are the ones that make all 'real' Christians look bad. You are almost doing the same by not spreading the Word the way it is. Unless you are a Mormon, and well, you are not Christian either.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

I'd have to check but I believe there is a law of science that blocks eternality of matter.

Besides, please tell me if you do or don't expect things to have a maker?

If your computer had to be designed, why didn't your brain have to be designed? This is just an argument from the lesser to the greater...

Wouldn't you think I was nuts if I said my athlon computer came from nowhere??? Isn't this kind of absurd?

Just curious...

Tim

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15 years ago

Replaced "glowing steel" effect with regular drop shadow.

Added second paper.

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