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For other evangelical Christians...a great improvement over the original.

"Believe on" is accurate...from the KJV...which was chosen over other translations due to the faithfulness to the original idea; that of trusting, not just intellectual ascent.

If you haven't already done so, and have the time, why not send KDE-LOOK an email thanking them for allowing a variety of work? Thanks!
Last changelog:

15 years ago

Replaced "glowing steel" effect with regular drop shadow.

Added second paper.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

The scriptures changed? No, the dead sea scrolls put the "transmission error problem" to rest.

No afterlife? Based on what? How do you know? Do you have all knowlege so that you can rule that out?

Thanks,

Tim

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Soyburg:

I closed my previous post and then thought of this example:

Suppose you're in the U.S. and you are applying for some benefit which you know you qualify for. To get the benefit, the person behind the desk wants proof that you were born in the U.S. They ask you for your birth certificate. You cannot make them happy with "science". Test tubes won't work. They want Historical/legal evidence. So you give it to them. They don't look at it and just say "Well, that's just your opinion". They give it weight. They treat it as factual. That is the kind of evidence I can provide you. You give evidence but they also must exercise a certain amount of faith. In this case, there is overwhelming evidence to support faith in Christ. The only question is do you accept historical/legal evidence?

You do this every day! You go to a restaurant and ask for food. You don't do a chemical analysis of the food to make sure it's safe; you eat it out of trust that it is safe...at least in part due to the historical evidence that the food is safe to eat at that restaurant. When you step into a street, you have faith that you will be able to make it across without falling down and getting run over. Historically, you've made it across the street before! So, we all live by faith all the time. The only question is what do you place your faith in?

I think part of our problem is we are talking past each other. Again, Christianity is not based on test tubes...but evolution claims to be based on science; hence I ask for scientific answers.

Anyway, I await your answer to the previous message.

Tim

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Soyburg

15 years ago

I would have liked to reply to your earlier post (Re, Re, Re....), but my version of Mozilla didn't show a "reply to this" anchor.

No afterlife? Based on what? How do you know? Do you have all knowlege so that you can rule that out?

It is not about ruling out. It is about proof. There is no proof of an afterlife. If you say there is one, show me the proof. If you say there is one, I don't have to disprove it. The burden of evidence is in your corner. That is how science works. If you say "The stone, if dropped, will move westwards, and not downwards." you will have to supply some proof. If you don't supply it - it ain't scientific. It will be belief or opinion.

And about the "geology professor who had a doctorate in Geology". I come from an oldfashioned country, where a doctor is not the same as a professor. A doctor can however become a professor if he habilitates himself at a university. Would you care to tell me what your studies were (what subject) and what college you attended for how long to what success? And how you came to believe that the mentioned doctor of geology was an evolutionist? And in what way you know that it was 4000 years ago that job realized the simplest of things, namely that water can be liquid and gaseous? (Which the Chinese discovered first, try and read the I-Ching sometime.) And why the bible is "scientifically accurate" when it comes to the water cycle (which it is not at all - if you had been in my class, you would have flunked it)?

Oh and by the way. Irreducable complexity is bullshit. There are all kinds of beings, starting from bacteria to algae, which can do quite well without blood clotting. Not to speak of the single-cell organisms. Since when did they have blood? Something must have gone by me. You seem to read books from one particular stream of thought only and seem to be immune to reason.

And what is Darwin's fish anyway? Never heared of it. Sorry. Did you just make this up? When I googled to learn about it, the best link I could find was to a bumper sticker.

How deep is your understanding of geology and palaeontology? Did you take just one course at some college, or why do you write like a simpleton? I studied geology for more than 6 years and I can not help but feel utterly bewildered by the way you write about things that are so utterly clear. The answers to your questions are in a library near you. I won't waste my breath explaining the things to you in 5 minutes that took me several years to grasp. Education (even at university level) is free in my country, but I understand that it is not in yours. Which is a pity. But don't blame me. Save some money.

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SynTruth

15 years ago

I have to second this opinion. To each their own: preach on your own place.

I rather secure in my own beliefs, thank you so very much, so "feeling scared" because of a wallpaper is a stretch. I think Tim gets the negative reaction he does because it *is* preachy and people just don't care for that, unless they ask for it. I go to church, I expect to be preached to, I got a website dedicated to Linux/KDE art, I don't expect it and it's just a tad irritating.

Personally, I'm not 100% convinced Tim is not a troll. (Sorry if you're not, Tim, but I've seen it happen before over and over again for years...nothing yanks chains faster than religion.)

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timbrown527

15 years ago

"Tim's artwork is progressing very well."

Thanks, Chris...!

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avalon

15 years ago

some artist ideas if I may:

the shadow should be darker and have a feather on the edge, so it fades away. I can't tell, but the text should be anti-aliased. A good setting for the Gimp to do shadows is

x offset = 0
y offset = 0
blur = 4
color = black
transparency 80%

Just some ideas..

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Thanks Avalon, I'll give it a try!

Tim

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shanesemler

15 years ago

I agree, I'm sick of this crap as well.

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flamy

15 years ago

j'à
ich auch
me too
mim demasiado

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muddysmind

15 years ago

I think the art is ok, not stunning.
The message is good. I think Tim has some balls posting it up here, kudos on that.
I don't use Christ themed wallpaper myself. However this site is open to all forms of wallpaper, you should all recognize that. I've seen half naked women that nobody complained about, yet your all crying and throwing a fit over a few words.

Sad, and here I was thinking the Linux community was above that.

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simmons75

15 years ago

Yes, I was living under the delusion that Linux users were by and large grownups.

Guess I was wrong.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

**over a few words.**

I think you hit it dead on...!

I don't really think its about the art per se. I don't think it has ever been. Art is (by definition) not a science. Hence the appeal of a given work will vary from person to person.

I agree with the font issue though, as it was commented on by someone else. As I get time I'll work on it.

Thanks,

Tim

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beeeeef

15 years ago

i think religious stuff is best kept to him/herself... some people always get wrong messages.

like this one. how are non-christians suppose to take it?

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timbrown527

15 years ago

While your question wasn't to me, maybe I can answer it for you.

Your view that a person's beliefs should be kept to himself ("privatized") is directly opposed to what Christ said when he said in Matthew 28 to go and spread the message. So, to privatize my faith, I must basically deny the charge given me by the Lord through His Word. I won't do that.

Can ideas be misunderstood? Sure! But I don't think you really want to silence anything that can be misunderstood.

How are non-Christians supposed to take it? As a proclaimation of the Gospel, which you are free to accept or reject. Jesus Christ (according to even secular historians) lived and died on the cross. The New Testament tells us why; as a substitute for us to pay for our sin.

God is JUST. He is also perfectly holy he cannot allow anything unholy in His presence. Since we are fallen, we can't do anything to save ourselves. So, God sent His Son to pay the penalty for us. By placing our trust in his finished work, we become "redeemed"...children of God. It's a 2000 year old message, which finds its roots even in the Old Testament.

So, the Judge has found you guilty, assessed an infinite fine against you, then come around this side of the bench and paid it...it's a gift that is yours to accept or reject.

Thanks, and blessings to you,

Tim

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gvs

15 years ago

And does this justifies monopolizing about 80% of the schools (in my country), forcing people in court to swear on the bible (up to about 1998 in my country) regardless of their own beliefs.
I had a christian upbringing, I was forced to go to catholic schools and I will never tolerate the same for my children, I will not allow anyone to push that upon them.

If you want to believe, that is your right, but keep it as far away from me as possible, I got nothing but hurt and lies from it.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

You know, I'm sincerely sorry that you were hurt by institutional religion. I have too! Have I been hurt by other Christians? YES!

But what I focus on is not other people or institutions, but on what Christ did for me...and you. It's not about a "religion" but a Person and a personal relationship with Him.

Haven't you ever thought "there has to be more to life than this?"....that's the God-shaped vacuum that Pascal talked about. It is a space reserved for a connection with Christ!

Tim

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gvs

15 years ago

No, I don't feel there is anything else.
I had many rights taken away be religions, but that is because I concluded that there is no god, it was a result of this, not a reason.

They cannot handle someone who doesn't believe, there is little or no place for atheists in my society, yet I am one.
I do not believe in god, christ, heaven or hell. I find science the better way.

The point is, you're never going to convince me to believe, as I will not succeed in getting you to wave your religion, which I don't intend.

I just stand by my original standpoint, that religion is a private thing, between you and your deity. I do not think it belongs out on public forums where people of all beliefs come.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Two things:

1. This is an open forum and there are people like me who are looking for this.

2. You may be saying that Christianity is private, but Jesus Christ said it is not. He has commanded us to take it to the public.

That's it!

TIm

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Soyburg

15 years ago

So, to privatize my faith, I must basically deny the charge given me by the Lord through His Word. I won't do that.

If someone ties a bomb around his waist and blows up a busload of school children and claims in the video taped before his death that his Lord charged him with the task - would you believe it would be any relief to the innocent bystanders or their relatives? Let's say my Lord charges me to deal dope to your children - would you like that?

Thomas Jefferson (the guy whose pic is on one of the dollar bills, Jefferson. Remember?) once wrote

Say nothing of my religion. It is known to my god and myself alone.


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Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to our God alone

If he could keep his faith to himself, why can't you?

Since we are fallen, we can't do anything to save ourselves.

Where is your proof, that I am fallen? Did you just draw that out of your hat?

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Well, first, I assume you are really interested in an answer. Under that assumption, let me say the following:

Thomas Jefferson is not my "standard". Besides, I believe he was a Deist, not a Christian. The "great commission" would mean nothing to him.

Secondly, I find it hard to believe you are comparing my wallpaper and the scripture I've put there with bus bombings and dealing dope to children. You aren't forced to view this, much less respond. that is your choice and responsibility. You are not a "helpless victim", as implied by your analogy.

Thirdly, the fact that we all DIE is a sign that we are a fallen race. "Death came into the world through sin." At Creation, there was no death. It was all "good". We were created in God's image...(with an intellect, emotion and will) but the image has become corrupted...that's why we have killings, etc. James 4:1 says it's all because we live for "self!". Another product of the fall.

No doubt you will reject this, which is why I question even answering you; but archeology and even secular history have verified the accuracy of the scriptures. When the Bible speaks of science, it is accurate...even written in a time when the authors had "no way" of knowing that what they were saying was scientifically true. For a long time, secularists said that Solomon was a myth...then the archaeologists found all kinds of artifacts that verify the scriptures. Now, it's "Ok". Then David...and on and on.

As a follower of Jesus Christ, I did not put my faith in something that has no objective basis. Here's a problem for you...disprove the ressurection! The best of skeptics, athiests and other types have tried for over 2000 years and many of them have come to the conviction that Christianity is true as a result of trying to prove it false. From secular history, we know that Christ lived and died on a cross...in fact, Josephus (who was not a believer at all) said of Jesus ..."If it be lawful that he be called a man..." before speaking of the accounts of his great works. It was a statement of elevation.

I would ask you what hard *scientific* evidence you have for the Darwin fish? Or maybe where the space came from for the universe? Do you believe everything came from *nothing*. On what basis? How did the "scientific method" turn this into fact?

You know there are a number of prominent evolutionary scientists who are coming out in the open about evolution being a religion...that no matter what science says...we are to hold to evolution.

While the fossils aren't being found, biblical artifacts are being dug up. The discovery of a trail of egyptian chariots that just seemed to go running into the Red Sea? Hmmm. The bible says that Pharoah was killed there too...and they did find a chariot that matches what he would have as the Pharoah of Egypt.

I'm really slow to add this because I'm not into self defense, but I think I will...I hear so much about "pushing my views on others"...Well, use your backarrow! Besides, to tell someone to be quiet...is THAT not "pushing your views on others?"

Thanks for your input.

Tim

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gvs

15 years ago

LOL, you lock yourself up in your own reasoning.
Please disprove to me that there is no extra planet in our starsystem, lets say it is next to mars.
like in the religious argument, you may not use the absence of any evidence that it is there as proof that it doesn't exist, please provide me *evidence* of its non-existance.
You *can't*, that is impossible to do, the fact that it does not exist presents itself through the absence of evidence of existance!

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timbrown527

15 years ago

GVS:

You said:

*you may not use the absence of any evidence that it is there as proof that it doesn't exist*

Then later you turn around and say there is no evidence for the existence of God, only that people think He exists, like Elvis.

UHmmmm...you can't have it both ways. You seem bound and determined to use the "lack of evidence" as an excuse to prop up evolution and at the same time shoot down theism!

That is intellectual dishonesty!

Tim

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timbrown527

15 years ago

No, the laws of thermodynamics prohibit eternality of matter. The law of energy conservation says that no new energy is being created, just consumed. Things go from order to disorder. Things run down.

Evolution says things are going uphill, which is contrary to the 2nd law of thermodynamics which states things go from order to disorder.

The law of biogenesis says that life comes from life, not dead matter. My coffee cup will not produce a living form of life. It's just fired clay! Does the law of Biogenesis mean anything or are we just tossing that out to get our theory to work? And if we accept that, then *anything* can pop into being from *anywhere* at *anytime*. Have you observed that at all? I don't think so!
So, we're back to cleaning my garage and waiting for a new chevy to appear ex nihilo!

Life can only come from life. God is/was that life!

What makes more sense? That things were made by someone (which is how you really live) or that things just *pop* into existence? Don't you expect a manufacturer of the things you own?

Thanks,

Tim

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gvs

15 years ago

Again, there is not evidence of any god, but regardless of that the argument of everything out of nothing stays the same.
Where did god come from?
It is logically inconsistent to assume god to be eternal, yet dismiss even the possibility of the universe being so.
BTW, I never claimed the Darwins *theory* to be absolutely proven. It is still a theory, with evidence to support it, but we do not have sufficient evidence to actually make the theory a water-tight fact.
It does however make a lot more sence than this invisble guy snipping his invisible fingers and everything appearing as-is.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Again, if you assume that the things around you were made by someone, why do we get mystical about things popping into existence from nothing all on their own?

No one + nothing = everything??? Is that science?

The only "evolution" we can observe is "microevolution" or variation within kind. Just as it says in Genesis, things reproduce "after their own kind".

Where did your computer come from? What it designed? Did "chance" really do all the stuff that we can't do on purpose????

Tim

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15 years ago

Replaced "glowing steel" effect with regular drop shadow.

Added second paper.

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